User talk:Meandean

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[edit] Field trip procedures

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Field trip procedures, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. --MCB 06:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Field trip procedures

While I am most willing to discuss how to make the article Field trip procedures, it is not as you have suggested a copy of a specific school district's policies & procedures.

As someone whom has worked with several educators on this issues, I was hoping to provide a framework that they would normally pay through the nose to learn - the hard way.

While some school districts will cover any one or a couple of issues regarding Administrative, Scheduling, Preparationn, Field Trip, Follow-up, etc ... but none do the whole shebang.

For example, the entire issue of parental drop-off time as well as drive depot to departure location aren't well documented, but parts of the process that put entire classrooms of little chilren at risk.

You're call - I'll make it more encyclopedic as recommended - but I'm a bit offended at the claim that it's a verbatim copy, especially as such municipalities are obliged, usually by their state, to allow all or part of their works to be copied and/or reused for non-commercial purposes. Meandean 06:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages. I do not mean to disparage your work, or claim that you plagiarized it; it was simply that it looked like it was a copy of an existing policy/procedures document. But that is not the issue with the article -- it's that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of how-to materials or policies or procedures or other instructional documents. We can't use original research (that is, your own work that is not summarized from a reliable source). Please take a look at what Wikipedia is not and I think you'll have a better understanding of why your field trip procedures document is not right for Wikipedia (although it might be right for WikiSource or WikiBooks. --MCB 07:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh brother, so I darned if I do and darned if I don't. First I get it because it appeared to be from a specfic source, now I'm getting told the source isn't authoritative.

If I derive an outline from a number of public school systems will that suffice? Their works are in the public domain by state mandate (at least the one's I'll derive) and generally say the same thing - only not as comprehensively as I was hoping to present.

I'll edit out specifics - see whatcha think.Meandean 07:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you might still be missing the point. Wikipedia is not a place for instructional materials, how-to documents, policies, procedures, guidelines, checklists, etc., whether or not they are produced by official sources. It's difficult to see how this topic can be made encyclopedic; perhaps as a section of the existing Field trip article, but only if it is cited to appropriate reliable sources, like (for example) an educational journal article about field trips. In terms of context, please remember also that Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia and is not at all limited to, or centered on, the practices of U.S. public school districts. --MCB 07:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The point I'm hearing is that I should go ahead and get paid to write an article, which I've done more than once, get it published in something like School Planning & Management Magazine and then cite my own outline here?

As for U.S. public school procedures versus other locations, I'll write in my article my experiences with routing approval chains I've observed and documented - though generally they're the same - only the titles of the offices change.

Like I said, it's been a learning experience - one which has taught me one thing - if I'm going to spend this much time writing and then defending my writing, might as well get paid for itMeandean 07:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Halal

Was working on my own wiki in preparation to a trip to Jordan ... and boom ... edited the original (and cited) source.

Apologies. Meandean 12:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)