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Some notes about my editing:

  • "In the national frames area is considered as the rich one. " I have absolutely no clue what this means. Can someone try again? :-)
  • In the History section, I also don't know what "number cores" refers to in "During the 13th century, number cores belonging to localities"
  • "Vineyard" is the correct english word for places where grapevines to produce wine are grown, not "wineyard".

Elf 02:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

More editing notes:

  • First paragraph changed from "hot stormy summers" to "hot tempest summers"; "tempest" is a kind of storm, so I'm not sure what was really meant. I'm changing it back to "stormy"
  • I'm changing "In the national frames area is considered as the rich and prosperous one." to "This area is considered to be the nation's most rich and prosperous area."
I think they meant "one of the most ..." because it's not /the/ one. --Shallot 16:29, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • I'm guessing wildly that "number cores" means "many military groups," (as in "corps") but I still don't know whether that's a good guess.

Elf 06:11, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Corn

This page links to the disambiguation page Corn, but I'm not sure which sense is intended. Can you help? Thanks. — Pekinensis 22:07, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Editing explanation

I have drastically changed the history part. Before reverting, please consider the following:

1. I have taken all information from a one-sided webpage (http://www.magtudin.org/Murakoz.htm) written by Antal Munczi, who was born in Cakovec and was in the frontline of the events in 1918-1945.

2. His emotional writings were cut out, trying to sticking to facts. I was very keen to be NPOV. Please be so on your side.

Please let me put here some other thoughts from him, which explains the edit more in detail:

" Most politicians in Croatia are opposing the fact that Medimurje was part of Hungary from the occupation of Carpathian basin of the Magyars Honfoglalás. In 1955, the newspaper distributed in emigration in Buenos Aires called Horvatska Misao, Dr. Milan Blazeković writes about history of Medimurje (Povijestna pripadnost Medjimurja). He is citing historian Rudolf Horvat, who is very anti-Hungarian.

Decrees of Croatian origin calls the area "Dráva Muraköz", or "Muraköz" from the ancient times. The decree from 1264 by Slavonian ban Roland calles it so. The letter from Zagreb in 1334 reads „decime de Bekchin et Drava-Murakuz non bono modo persolvuntur, quoniam ille gentes non sunt de banatu.”

Dr. Blazeković writes, Croatian origin is prooved by the fact that in 1564 Nicola Zrinski organises the ban conference in Cakovec. It is natural, that it was held in Cakovec, as Croatia was doomed by Turks, and Croatia was under Hungarian crown. He could hold the conference in Hungary. Another proof is that the area was Hungarian, that the wine regulation decree from Nicola Zrinski from 16/June 1648 was written in Hungarian. The original is as follows:

„My Groff Zrinyi Miklós Szala(=Zala) és Somogy Varmegieknek feő Ispannja. Adjuk tudassara mindeneknek az kiknek yllik. Mynthogy az my Chyaktornjay(=Csaktornya, Cakovec) Varosunknak eleyteöll fogva valo reghy sokassa ez volt hogy bizonios szamu bortt az Urak szamara korczomalassokkall soktanak ky arulnj. Hogy azert az eö reghy sokasok és sabadsagok ynkab meg maradgion akarunk ez uj levelönket nekik adnj hogy semmi nemő renden valo vagy feö ember vagy szeghyn maga boratt az korczma (ban) levő borjukra ki ne kezdhesse ez mi nekik adoth levelönk ellen. Ha penigh valakj talaltatik hogy erő serintt vagy hatalommal korczmankra rea keszdeni, sabadsagok legien, ez mi levelönk erejnek, annak uj kesdeteth boranak elsőben czegerett le vettny es ha maszor ky teszi ellenek az Varosiaknak, az hordonak az feneke ky vagattassek. Melinek nagjobb erőssenall megerősitven. Datum in Curia nsra supra robor…. Zreny Miklós (L.S.).”

This document can be found in the Archives of Cakovec (and can be read by Hungarian).

Dr. Blazeković is declaring Medimurje as ancient Croatian, and he is basing this on documents kept in archives of Germany, Italy, and Zagreb, but these documents are fake.

(...)

After the Treaty of Trianon, it was heavily propagated that the region was always Croatian. In 1918, they started to artificial resettlement of Hungarian civil service to present-day Hungary, but until they were moved, they lived in the greatest poverty as they received no salary, lived from good-hearted locals. They distroyed the Hungarian craftsmen, too, as they were not given any work, and were obliged to take any work they could. The mayor or count Festetics was also distroyed, as the animals were dying in thousands by hunger.

(...)

The Croatians admitted that Medimurje was annexed unlawfully in 1918, as in the cease-fire agreement of Belgrade, it was not mentioned as the land to annex. They claimed that the annexation was based on the will of local people. They cited some local persons, such as Dr. Novak, Dr. Videc, Lesiják and Glogovec. They were hardly from Medimurje, as they attended schools in Zagreb and Varasdin. They all settled in Croatia and lived there till 1919, where they were moved to Medimurje to take their jobs, but later it was found out they are Yugoslav-minded, so they are not only against Hungarian, but also Croatian politics. Some years later they were disgraced, and ended their lives in poverty.

"

So, please don't look at my editings as aginst Croatians, it was not my will. If you delete or modify, pls give citations. Abdulka 15:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)