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[edit] A welcome from Sango123

Hello, Mdwh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Though we all make goofy mistakes, here is what Wikipedia is not. If you have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to see the help pages or add a question to the village pump. The Community Portal can also be very useful.

Happy editing!

-- Sango123 (talk) 00:23, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello. :)

[edit] Emo

Hey - if Deathrocker keeps adding the sentence about "nu emo" to the article, don't be afraid to remove it. The admins are already aware of his history of edit warring, and he doesn't seem to fear violating the three revert rule. (Just make sure not to violate it yourself.) -- ChrisB 17:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blank user page

  • Please put some content in your user page. Danny Lilithborne 22:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MySpace

Whatever your views on whether an article should contain certain information, it's a bit rude to cut it with an edit summary of "rv" and no further explanation. If you had not been logged in, that's the kind of edit I would revert as vandalism. I recognise you wrote a note on talk though. It would have come off a lot more friendly had you written "rv. See talk for reasons" or similar. Give it a try next time. Anyway, I've provided sources and tightened the paragraph up so I hope you'll agree that between us, we improved it, and that's the main thing. James James 02:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

There was nothing rude in my revert - to be honest, the addition itself looked like vandalism (yet another "some ppl on MySpace do such-and-such). You reverted, and then I took it to the Talk page, explaining my reasons, rather than engaging in an edit war. I don't see the need to justify everything one reverts on a talk page first time round, just as there is no need for everyone to justify every addition on the talk page. Did you explain your revert on the talk page, first time round? No. I've already brought this up on the talk page, before you posted this here, so I don't see what the point of bringing this up here is rather than debating the issue there. Mdwh 02:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I justified my revert in the edit summary. You didn't bother. And you have now removed sourced information without sufficient explanation, except that you don't think it's "notable". You have not "debated it" on the talkpage. You didn't actually "debate it" anywhere. Your response is here, on your talkpage, not on mine, which I am only seeing by chance because I have come to ask why you have removed sourced information. It may not be notable that a large user community has nudity (although Wikipedia, a comparable community, does not have nude photos of its users that I know of), but it's of note that it specifically disallows it, that it still happens, and that it has been noted in the press. Not just that, but it is the stated reason for some schools' action against the site. Now I don't know what your standard of "notability" is, but I ask you to reconsider. Notability is not good grounds for censoring critical elements of a Wikipedia article, particularly when it's easy enough to establish it, as I have. James James 06:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
There is no requirement to discuss every change on Wikipedia before making it (see Wikipedia:Be Bold and Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle).
WP:CIVIL is about being rude, and "not making an edit summary" most certainly does not qualify.
I'm not sure what you mean by "removing sourced information" - rather than removing it, I have compromised by keeping it, but improving it in a way that reflects what is notable. Not being notable is a sufficient reason for removing something from Wikipedia, so that doesn't matter that it is my "only" reason.
Wikipedia works by people making edits. You seem to think you can make edits, and then have no one revert or change them. First you criticise my lack of an edit summary - but now you still criticise my change, despite my clear explanation. If you disagree with my change, then be bold and either improve it or revert it - or discuss on the Talk page.
Lastly, I'm replying here and not your talk page because you posted on my talk page, and it's awkward to split a discussion across two pages. Mdwh 22:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political Friendster

In regards to listing at List of social networking sites, I would like to point out that Political Friendster is indeed a social network (and notable), as it utilizes the exact same premise of sites like Friendster and Myspace. Just because profiles of individuals are created by other people, does that not qualify it for the list? Individuals and organizations are created all the time in non-autobiographical ways on the other more "traditional" social networks and those are considered acceptable to list. Any comments? --Howrealisreal 02:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AmigaOS

Howdy, the idea behind my edit of the Garbage description was to make it OS and country inclusive. Rather than compare something to one concept why not broaden it to something that a lot more people can relate to? Sure, 95% of people use Windows and 100% of people reading WP are from the USA (lol jokeing) But isn't assuming that your reader knowns only one simile being a bit narrow in your POV? (BTW all the Apples running OSX at my Uni refer to it as the wastebasket and I'm not in the UK)

I'm okay with leaving it as it stands but if you reconsider your stance then ... yay! Cheers, Monotonehell 14:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree the important thing is that AmigaOS called it "trashcan". Mabey we should search to see if there are any more articles like Recycle Bin and merge them all into one good article that covers the concept generically and shows examples from all OSs? As having lots of silly OS specific articles is redundant. I especially like how the existing Recycle Bin article makes it sound like Win95 invented the concept and all other OSs 'renamed' it to "trash". How misleading.
Of course this would require a load of research and making a little historical "trash through the ages" essay. Sounds like work .. yuck. lol Monotonehell

[edit] "Gay Pride" series?

The originator of the Series put them on stuff we were editing (which was clearly about the Bisexual community). We were surprised, but assumed that it was just someone using "Gay Pride" in the generic sense and they meant what might currently be termed LGBT Pride.

So while finally getting around to some "housekeeping" we added them to relevant some "linked" articles to be polite.

But since you are the second person who has questioned it, I have already gone back to Series originator explained what happened and asked that very question.

We'll wait for answer and then proceed from there. Is that OK? CyntWorkStuff 23:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goth article

That was a nice elimination of those parenthetical words. Well done. I have no idea what they meant, but I'm a bit timid with that particular article just at the moment. It's easy to stir up trouble on it inadvertently. :tape: Metamagician3000 08:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I did a whole lot yesterday to polish it back up as much as I could, and I see that you and others have since done a bit of work. I reckon this has now become a good article. How far away from featured article quality do you think it is? I suppose it might need more references to support it, but otherwise it looks like good stuff to me. Metamagician3000 07:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to thank you for the pratical reverts you've done to the page recently. That's all :) --Adrift* 09:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What do you think of my changes to the Amiga article?

Hi,

I've been messing considerably with the Amiga article, all in good faith of course. Please let me know what you think of the changes. I want to do some more but I don't want to go too far without knowing that there is consensus behind what I'm doing. Long live the Amiga. - Richardcavell 11:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AA/AGA

Hi,

Amiga Format magazine (probably the most reliable print source) definitely seems to regard AA and AGA as two different things, though they are similar. Look at my discussion under Advanced Graphics Architecture for more. I'll accept the claim that AA and AGA were from the same generation, but I'm pretty sure they weren't the same thing. - Richardcavell 05:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Mdwh, sorry, I got it all wrong. Please feel free to undo all the separation of AA/AGA that I've done. (But the technical details are otherwise correct!) - Richardcavell 02:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Escom/Amiga

Hi, I note your change to the Amiga article owing to Escom's re-release of the A1200 and A4000. Were these the original technology? Were they PowerPC variants? - Richardcavell 03:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

'Scuse me butting in, just passing through and I noticed your question :) The A1200 and A4000 were both 680x0 variants. There has never been a dedicated Amiga PPC mobo. Some accelerator cards for the classic Amigas utilized PPC's, and Eyetech's AmigaOne mobo is also PPC, but I believe that is basically just a generic PPC mobo marketed by Eyetech.

[edit] Whoa

So you're interested in both Amiga computers and BDSM! Are you an atheist too? JIP | Talk 09:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Self Harm page

Hi there, I'm getting in touch as you've done recent work on the self-harm article. I've done a fair bit of study on this subject recently, so reckon I'm in a position to go through and get a good load of citations in there. What I propose, is moving to using the tag to make this easier, and then I'll go through and get citations in, and replace some of the "some people" type areas with referenced viewpoints, trying to get multiple view is where there are opposing views. Obviously this'll involve a bit of rewriting and adding so I wondered if you have any feedback on this before I start. Acidsaturation 07:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi again - have been working on the psychology section a bit - Realised when I started going through it that it needed quite abit of work - lots of repetition, also I had a few bits I wanted to add.. I'm working on it here : User:Acidsaturation/notebook#Psychology_section_in_progress if you want to have a look - i'd welcome input. Acidsaturation 16:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your user page

I see your user page was originally created by a vandal, and you blanked it. Because I'm an admin, I can delete your user page if you don't want to have anything there. Would this be OK? JIP | Talk 18:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pre-emptive multitasking

Hi there Mdwh. Just to let you know that the reason I removed the qualifier "pre-emptive" and replaced it with "true" under the Amiga OS section is because I thought the "pre-emptive" qualifier was a bit too technical for that part of the article. I figured the average reader would only need to understand that the Amiga was multitasking, which is a major feature which set it apart from its rivals. If one adds the qualifier "pre-emptive", an uninformed reader might wrongly assume that it just had a different form of multitasking to the other machines then available. I haven't reverted your change though.

Really though, the whole OS section needs a rewrite, since it almost exclusively talks about the Amiga's lack of memory protection, which hardly gives an accurate description of the unique features of the OS. I've only written it that way because I started out by making some minor adjustments to someone else's contribution. I don't really have the time to do a rewrite ATM. Regards, Gatoclass 06:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Petticoat

Yes, that's where it was supposed to go, thanks.Bridesmill 12:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amiga Virtual machine dispute resolving in private

My dear editor friends, we have a dispute to resolve.

It seems that we three only had taken care of this argument AVM. Other people prefer not commenting it.

This page has stated during Voting for Deletion it has not to be deleted but to be merged into 68k article.

It has been removed the Request for Undeletion, because infactAVM article it has been not decided for deletion.

But merging with 68K is a mistake and sure I can't merge this article into 68k. Else I will commit a false, and I don't want to.

Amiga Anywhere and ABOX have nothing in common with 68k code.

Just Amithlon while booting it starts an environment in which 68K code runs natively and ABOX has both built-in 68K code interpreter as long with PPC Amiga WarpUP interpreter (WarpUP is PPC Amiga executable fileformat for the Amiga classic subsystem running on CPU expansion card qith PPC 601 and 603e processor).

It seems to me that: Ljl he said that it could be started Amiga Anywhere article. He said there is no virtual machine that it could be considered Amiga Machine he also said I created a neologism.

I don't understood Mdwh position if he want article deleted at all, or just condsidered AVM as not correct at all and the arguments have to be dropped.

To both of you editors I remember that AVM is NOT a neologism. It is commonly used amongst amigans, but evidenceds I had bringing seems not convince you both.

But sure AVM is no a neologism. It is just a CATEGORY name which groups in a summary some brief informations about various objects with common characteristics.

The three existing Amiga VM (note that I just drop the fourth, Petunia, because has different characteristics which brings it into some sort of emulator like multi-purpose program) it is far more pratical that all three these arguments should have a common article which LISTS all the three virtual environments here in ONE article with AVM name.

It is just necessary because of reasons of logical order and search purposes by users of Wikipedia.

It could be that users searching for any kind of virtual machines want to access that data.

So there they can find just a summary of the three amiga VM. Else ifthey want refine their search only if they want to, by clicking on a single Virtual environment link and seek for its complete article.

(Example: it is just as Music ->Folk Music or Classical or Rock Music, then searching for Rock Music->Hard Rock.

At this point the user could refine the search in Hard Rock or decide other choices.

With AVM article existing the user could make these choices: Computer->Amiga->AVM->Amiga Anywhere or Computer->Virtual Machine->Amiga Virtual Machine, etc.)

This is my point of view. I will send a copy of it to both of you to define this dispute.

If we could find an agreement as Wikipedia advices as a first step of dispute resolving, then it will be fine to me.

If not, then sure we three had had follow all the steps for a friendly resolution and in the end I could start a Request for Comment, as long it has been decided this article could not be undeleted, just because the fact it has never been deleted.

Sincerely,--Raffaele Megabyte 01:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goth

Fair enough. My main concern is that for a global encyclopedia, there is a large portion of the world's population to whom "Goth" would refer to the Germanic tribes or a style of literature/architecture and not the modern subculture. I will make sure that I have time to change the redirects first if I make any future changes. Cheers. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 02:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yikes, you aren't kidding. So it is, so it shall stay. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 02:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BDSM dresscode sources

I could add some web pages from Finnish BDSM organisations, but they'll mostly be in Finnish, or in the best case badly translated English. I am amazed at how bad English Finnish BDSM organisations have on their webpages. SMFR and Turun Baletti are very lenient in their dresscodes, but other organisations are stricter. Fortunately or unfortunately, I only have experience of SMFR's and Turun Baletti's events. JIP | Talk 18:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mallgoth redirect

G'day Mdwh,

thanks for your message. I'm not sure you're au fait with what's actually happened here: no article has been re-created, and the AfD result was not relevant here. Deathrocker (talk · contribs) has created a new redirect at an old title because he presumably thought the article Mansonite is relevant to anyone searching for the term "Mallgoth". Because a) I agree with him, and especially b) There are no remotely plausible grounds for speedy deletion, I removed your speedy tag.

As for why "AfD consensus can be ignored" — excuse me if this sounds a little impolite, but ... that's a very silly way of looking at the way we carry out deletion on Wikipedia. An article on "Mall goth" was AfDed, and the content was deleted as a result — that is no impediment to the creation of a new article, or a redirect, by the same name. AfD doesn't say "you cannot have an article by this name", and sometimes it doesn't even say "you cannot have an article about this thing". It just means, "This article, as it currently stands, is not groovy enough for Wikipedia." fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 10:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] agnosticism

please refer to talk page Somerset219 01:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] strong atheist revert

didn't mean to revert you like that, I was looking at 2 things at once. In other words, there was nothing wrong with your revert. Somerset219 23:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] page being deleted ?

I though It best to save the content while we still could befoe deletion occured.--Lucy-marie 14:53, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BDSM - DSM

No problem. Sorry to step on your toes. Your rev looks fine. Atom 11:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic fashion

hi, i've made some big structural changes, and as i see you're involved with both the Gothic fashion and Gothic subculture articles, i'd like to know what you think of it, as this would be a good time to lay out further plans. -- Denstat 15:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts

Hi. Thank you for your work and I will be even more careful about my edits in the future. At the same time, I'd also like to bring to your attention Wikipedia's revert etiquette.

[edit] "List of fictional self-harmers" and "listcruft"

I noticed you disagreed with the listcruft thing on List of fictional self-harmers. There's a continuing discussion at Talk:List of fictional self-harmers, if you want to get involved. Thanks. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 18:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bisexuality

That bisexuality doesn't require a 50-50 split is precisely what I was saying; the whole point is that there are studies, including one within the past year or two that got a lot of media attention, which do seem predicated on the false assumption that bisexuality has to be perfectly 50-50 and that therefore anybody who isn't right in the middle is "not really bisexual". Bearcat 01:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to come up with an alternate wording. I do think it's worth including something along these lines, though, because it's pretty hard to deny that some people do still think bisexuality requires perfectly equal attraction to both genders, and that anybody who has a distinguishable preference is therefore "lying". Bearcat 01:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conjoinment

I see that you deleted "Conjoinment" from the list of sexual fetishes, arguing that "even if it's fantasy, it's still not a fetish." I assume that you mean it doesn't qualify as a fetish using the strict definition of fetish in relation to a particular body part -- but if so, then should not "transformation" and others listed there also be deleted?

Bobobovary 13:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suspension

OK, here's a collective bargaining agreement on line. I could put that in if it were to satisfy you, but I have a hand in posting it as well, so if I put it in, then THAT becomes a problem for some people. Take a look: http://www.geocities.com/usw_local_6520/cba.html.

Do you want to put it in so you can remove the tag for lack of references?

I see your point in this, but do you also need a reference that the Pope is catholic?Achim 01:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Take a look now and see if you like it please. Achim 00:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Forms of nonmonogamy

Oops. Not sure how I did that, but it was the exact opposite of what I intended. Fixed now, and thanks for pointing it out :-) --Calair 04:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spankable nurse

Hey, why did you remove my links and call them spam? The links were to a free program created with open source software, besides being germain to the aritcles. In what universe is that considered spam?

[edit] ID cards

Hi Mdwh. I'm the guy who trimmed the polls data, reasons being: 1. It takes up about 12% of the article length. 2. The public generally have little understanding of the scheme. 3. Public reaction to the scheme (NO2ID aside) has been unremarkable. 3. Polls are inherently inaccurate.

Agree the 80% figure could be misleading. I think the only relevant information from polls is: a) An initially high level of support. b) An ongoing trend of falling support. c) Most recent poll data from reliable pollster.

Mindjuicer 17:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Summarising with costs is fine by me. I have no objections to you creating a polls page either. :)

Mindjuicer 23:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explicit v. Strong/Positive

Mdwh, remember that saying "explicit, positive atheism" is essentially the exact same thing as saying "strong atheism", because all strong atheists are by necessity explicit atheists (you can't positively believe that there are no gods without conscious decision), and because "positive" is synonymous with "strong" (just as "negative" is with "weak"). In fact, "positive" is the definition, in this context, of "strong". -Silence 01:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

You've got your logic wrong - yes, all strong atheists are explicit, but not all explicit atheists are strong. There exist explicit weak atheists (such as myself). Mdwh 02:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
When on earth did I ever say anything to the contrary? You're jumping to ridiculous conclusions. -Silence 02:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
You said "explicit, positive atheism" is essentially the exact same thing as saying "strong atheism". If you're not saying they're the same, then I guess we agree, but I'm not sure what you are saying? Mdwh 11:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
It's essentially the same because strong atheism is both explicit and positive. The definition of strong atheism is "positive atheism", and explicit atheism is a necessary (though not sufficient) characteristic of strong atheism. -Silence 13:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ID Cards Part 2

Hi Mdwh. Thanks for reviewing my changes to this article and restoring some bits. In my view the article is very very POV and far too long and argumentative. I'm proposing to rewrite it and remove a lot of irrelevent stuff as I do so. I'm inevitably going to take a little too much off so, if you could keep an eye on what I'm doing, that would be really great.

Oh, I also asked for a citation about the costs thing with other EU countries. Thanks. --Spartaz 06:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The polls are now a sub-page with a summary. I have done extensive work on the article. Extra pairs of eyes on such a contentious topic are always welcome if you have the time? Ta --Spartaz 21:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i expect you were responding to the rfc

Anyway, I have examined the Dobson sources and determined that they cannot be used as reliable sources in this article, as they do not have peer review for their scientific claims.[1] I invite you to stay involved in the progress of that article; there's only one other active editor there at the moment. — coelacan — 21:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] troll

you have a bit of troll on your userpage. :,(Zvyer 05:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Binx picture

Hi Mdwh, I notice that while snipping unsourced info from Men in skirts on 18th May, you also removed Binx's picture. Was this intentional? Bards 16:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The pic has been re-added :) Bards 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neo-Gothic art movement

"Neo-Gothic" has been recreated as Neo-Gothic art movement, but seems to be the same article. The same editor has recreated a deleted article on one of the artists as well. Since you were the original nom. for "Neo-Gothic", I was wondering if it had significantly changed. I've added a notability tag, as this seems to be NN, with only one POV link as a source. Freshacconci 17:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bisexual chic

I tried to salvage the article, but I realized that the bulk of it was a long list of people who are openly bisexual and of media portrayals of bisexuality. link. The problem I had with your edit was asserting that the term refers to cultural acceptance of bisexuality. I don't think that's correct. I think it signifies cultural awareness of bisexuality, but that it still dismisses it as a fad rather than accepting it as a legitimate orientation. I used the link you provided as a reference for the remaining sentence of the article.  :) Joie de Vivre 20:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] in re: Warriors for innocence noteability

You are right. It could be only the LJ thing, I just haven't actually gone thru all their stuff (for one thing my system slowly freezes up when I go there & they claim they have extensive trackback software up and running). So I was just trying to be careful.

It is shocking that they managed to casue so much of a flap though. Someone or several someones in corporate America is obviously scared of them for some reason. And I for one would like to know what it is. Where there is smoke there is fire, as they say. CyntWorkStuff 01:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] kids in trouble help page

Hi, You removed my link to the kids in trouble help page from the self injury page. While topics such as depression, child abuse and suicide are more prominent topics on the Kids in Trouble Help Page (KITHP) there definately are resources there for self injury (cutting) see the helplinks page, also see a number of the stories. Also the helplinks and the hotlines not to mention the stories are directly and sometimes indirectly helpful to kids and teens who cut. I will also be adding more helplinks and information for kids and teens who self injure. I would appreciate it if you return the link, before I do. I hope this clarifies. Endabusenow 18:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your former vote on Emo (slang).

Hi, I noticed you are one of the people who voted against moving Emo(slang) to Emo(subculture). I voted the other way (although I think "social group" is equally good or better). Now, a source has turned up and I would like for you to take a moment to check it and reconsider. I am sorry if you have seen it before, as I am aware that this message (of which there are three) would otherwise be out of line or at least a waste of your time. The source is an abstract of an unpublished, peer-reviewed talk/paper given at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association 2003. It is called "Capturing the Structure of Musically-Based Youth Subcultures: The Case of ‘Emo’" and the abstract can be found here [[2]].

I personally think this is a very good source, as I think we can trust the American Sociological Association to accept papers that use sociological terms appropriately. I believe ignoring this source because is has not been published would be wrong, as we have the abstract, which is pretty clear on the matter. Despite ones view on the source's usefulness, I think one must at least admit that emo can rightfully be called a subculture and refraining from using this knowledge on wikipedia is kind of contrary to WP:IAR. Lundse 20:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dolcett

Dolcett article has been speedy deleted. I wonder why. Hektor 10:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Consensual force fantasy"

I have just discovered the move of the rape fantasy article to the neologism "Consensual force fantasy". In my mind this is absolutely a wrong move and I encourage you to move it back to the original title -- if I had the power to move articles I would do it without hesitation. -- 192.250.34.161 14:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Commodore and the Escom Amiga 4000T

Hello, You have made changes in my correction on the Amiga 4000T page. The first Amiga 4000T models made by Commodore in very few quantity . After the Commodore bankruptcy Escom continued the Amiga 4000T line with only case modifications.

Let me show you some picture:

The A4000T made by Commodore:
http://members.chello.hu/varga.gabor8/Amiga/4000T/Commodore_Amiga_4000T.jpg
The Commodore label:
http://members.chello.hu/varga.gabor8/Amiga/4000T/Commodore_Amiga_4000T_label.gif

The A4000T made by Escom:
http://members.chello.hu/varga.gabor8/Amiga/4000T/Escom_Amiga_4000T.jpg
The Escom (Amiga) label:
http://members.chello.hu/varga.gabor8/Amiga/4000T/Escom_Amiga_4000T_lapel.jpg

--Gona.eu 15:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sophie Lancaster

Thanks for your support on the Sophie Lancaster deletion debate. --Machenphile (talk) 12:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] talk:atheism

a more rational response than i was able to muster ... i kept typing & thinking better. --Lquilter (talk) 01:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re [3]

Zillmann, Dolf: "Effects of Prolonged Consumption of Pornography", [4] is not simply a single study, but a review of the results from several controlled studies. Since the review was included in the Report of the Surgeon General's Workshop on Pornography and Public Health, it is highly probable that the review's description of the studies is accurate -- though, of course, the applicability of laboratory results to real-world phenomena is the subject of significant controversy. John254 07:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re [5]

As the Zillman study reviews several prior studies, all of which provide data and analysis supporting the claim that viewing of pornography produces supposedly undesirable sociological effects, I believe that it's reasonable to claim that "Some medical researchers assert that extensive viewing of pornographic material produces many sociological effects which they characterize as unfavorable...", citing Zillman as the source. John254 03:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Got an opinion?

Feel free to share it here. Thanks Angry Christian (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)