User talk:Mchacon89

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[edit] Revert wars considered harmful

[edit] Reasons

Revert wars are usually considered harmful for the following reasons:

  1. They disrespect the work of the contributor. Being reverted can feel a bit like a slap in the face: "I worked hard on those edits, and someone just rolled it all back"
  2. They cause ill-will between users and negatively destabilize articles
  3. They make the page history less useful, waste space in the database
  4. They make it hard for other people to contribute, and flood recent changes and watchlists

[edit] Three revert rule

Main article: Wikipedia:Three-revert rule

In consideration of the harm of reverting, Wikipedia policy states that you may not revert any article more than three times in the same day. This is a very strict limit, not a given right; you should not revert any one article more than three times daily.

[edit] Explain reverts

When a revert is necessary, it is very important to let people know why you reverted. This helps the reverted person because they can remake their edit, but fixing whatever problem it is that you've identified.

Explaining reverts also helps other people. For example, it lets people know whether they need to even view the reverted version (in the case of, eg, "rv page blanking"). Because of the lack of non-verbal communication online, if you don't explain things clearly people will probably assume all kinds of nasty things, and that's one of the possible causes for edit wars.

If your reasons for reverting are too complex to explain in the edit summary, drop a note on the Talk page. A nice thing to do is to drop the note on the Talk page first, and then revert, rather than the other way round. Sometimes the other person will agree with you and revert for you before you have a chance. Conversely, if someone reverts your change without apparent explanation, you may wish to wait a few minutes to see if they explain their actions on the article's talk page or your user talk page.

Welcome!

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[edit] God

Thank you for experimenting with the page God on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Please see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. NawlinWiki 20:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, I just need to add that the point of view was from modernists. Mchacon89 23:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to Portal:RuneScape/Did you know

Quite long... Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Portal:RuneScape/Did you know, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don’t revert my articles. I did not make it up.

If I was in error, I apologise, but you need to provide reliable citations for the following:
Furthermore, the statement:
is irrelevant as there is no town named Remington in the game (you are probably confusing it with Rimmington).
You may wish to read Wikipedia:No original research. Thank you, CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
To CaptainVindaloo

I really apologize for reverting your articles, and that such “paper war” has begun. But I id want to point out that the whole article is uncited and that I have removed some stuff I posted that I cannot remember its links. Mchacon89 (talk • contribs).

Sorry, but you can't cite Wikipedia articles. Especially as the articles you are linking to do not support your claims or even mention RuneScape. Oh, by the way, for internal links you do not need to type out the full URL, just the article name. IE; not [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Main Page]]; you need only type [[Main Page]]. Thanks, CaptainVindaloo t c e 16:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Anything else with you I agree. Just remember that wikipedia is not for a paper war, as in the 5 pillars. Thank you Below Me, for being on my side, and letting me post your username here. Mchacon89 t c e 06:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not defending the rest of the content on that page, but most of it is citable, being merely observations of things that happen in the game. There will be RS kbase pages, fansite pages and so forth supporting it. None of the other content is original theories of the origin of names of ingame places. For these kinds of controversial theories, you must supply a reliable source to support it. In this case, a reliable source could be an interview with a Jagex developer, for example. By the way, when you say "paper war", I think you are confusing edit wars and how Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. There is no mention of "paper wars" in Wikipedia:Five pillars. CaptainVindaloo t c e 16:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Tell me, is anything posted here involved a Jagex Developer our Reliable Source? You say that I am putting original theories because you don’t agree to it. And you say that “you will post later” but if so, when? Btw if you read the American Pageant from Houghton Mifflin, paper wars is about the same in our case.

Mchacon89 t c e 03:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The existing content isn't in dispute, but can easily be cited from fansite 'easter eggs' pages or wherever, although I never said I liked the content of that page. I have been considering giving it a cut back. What you are adding requires something like a developer interview because it is quite controversial, as we can see. Can you also please refrain from calling in people to keep readding it? Such practices, usually known as 'meatpuppetry', are generally frowned upon. I previously promised to stop removing the statements from the page, but I had to break this promise when an IP came along and readded them, this time with blatantly fabricated sources, which can be potentially more damaging to Wikipedia than any original research. CaptainVindaloo t c e 16:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
MeatPuppetry? I’ve been attacked personally by these people too.
Mchacon89 22:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I have made a request at Wikipedia:Third opinion for help resolving this dispute. Thanks, CaptainVindaloo t c e 17:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Please can we end it? Though being a noob, I know these 5 Pillars of Wikipedia.Honestly it starts to get me lose my temper. User FFM2, who cited my posts, is on m side. The articles are now cited.
Users if you agree post your username here:
Mchacon89
Below Me
The Last Supper (comment: Wow, that's very agressive but I bet this person deserves it, for being a pain in the ass
FFM2 (is that Cap. Vindaloo messing around? F him off

Is the page going to be deleted? It's not really my fault - Mchacon89

Please read the core Wikipedia policies WP:NOR and WP:V, which clearly state that original theories are unnacceptable, and that controversial claims must be cited to a reliable source; instead of bringing in others to 'back you up'. The citations supplied are clearly fabricated: there is no 'Robert Lantz' in the Jagex credits page (and a link to the Jagex site when citing an interview elsewhere is useless anyway), and according to Google searches, 'Nrdmxl Labs' and 'Juega Sucio' apparently do not exist (producing no results and only irrelevant results, respectively). Two of the four claims remain uncited. All you need to do is to cite real sources, as I have asked three times, and I will leave you alone. There is absolutely no need for this. Thank you, CaptainVindaloo t c e 14:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Google searches may become useless if you do not know the language the magazine is in, and to let you know, I’ve seen it sold in Mexico and in Oxxo Stores. Users who are really ‘backing me up’ read this magazine, I assume they live in Mexico as well. One supporter of mine, sent an email to Robert L of Jagex Staff and even lent me their email so that I could read it. Unfortunately the user changed its pass = (. But my point is, its time to add more references since DYK has none, like Tip.it Zybez, Runehq, Sal, and I do not plan to do that soon. Mchacon89 21:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

A link to this magazine's website would be helpful. To cite the article you will need the magazine name, the issue (or volume) number and release date of the magazine, the article name and the name of the author of the article. A quote or extract would be very useful too. Create a formal citation using the template {{cite journal}} ; usage instructions are on the template page. Could you please post a copy of Jagex's reply? Moot really, considering that email exchanges are not considered reliable sources (private email account, ridiculous ease of forging emails, no guarantee that the correspondent is the authority on the subject, etc). You'll need Andrew Gower or someone else high up to confirm this in a fansite interview, or confirmation in the RS kbase for this. Consider the logic: why would a British games developer name an in-game city after a town in America that they have likely never heard of? Birmingham, as the UK's second largest city is slightly more probable, but it is much more likely that Jagex simply created the name themselves (they are allowed to do that); brim is an Old English word referring to the sea or the edges of the sea, and haven is an Old English word for sanctuary or harbour, very common in place names. Furthermore, why would they name Lumbridge after the UK London Bridge (let alone the Arizona one), instead of the in-game River Lum that runs right through the middle of the town? Or name Rimmington after an American (once again, Jagex is a British company) artist with a different name? And for the umpteenth time, I am not endorsing the existing unreferenced mess on that page, nor am I talking about it. CaptainVindaloo t c e 00:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Please leave me alone. I just want to remind you of
[[1]] No Personal Attacks
[[2]] EQ

User FFM2 has added this bibliography [[3]] and even added an extract and accurate quote from the magazine. Its not about agreeing or not its about the actual fact, Verifiability and Truth at the same time. I don’t know how to write the message and were to post it. I know my rights WP:ADOPT and please stop posting “Problems at Runescape DYK” and may you please also, not post my username.
I do consider the logic yeah, why would a British games developer name an in-game city after a town in America that they have likely never heard of? Winterhaven is not a very popular place, but once again in this foreign language magazine it states that; so that’s not something I actually made up. Your theory of Birmingham is still uncited Wikipedia:No original research, what do you feel when I write you this? That’s the way I feel too about you. So according to this magazine, on another edition (which I have in my hands right now) it says London Bridge from Lake Havasu. What would I do, if the magazine says no part of this publication may be reproduced without permission? Should I still post it. And about Rimington and Remington, Jagex a British gaming company, wanted to honor the Americas in some way, because there are a lot of people playing in the Americas. Mchacon89 03:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, the only personal attacks and threats I have seen here is from you with this edit. Be aware threats of real violence usually get an instant and permanent block. Would you care to explain why your email was answered by a member of the 'sampling team' (which is probably more to do with the game's audio) rather than a member of customer services, whose job it is to answer such emails? I am not actually adding my theory of the origin of Brimhaven to the page, nor do I intend to; no violation of NOR. You still haven't posted a link to a website or anything, so I have yet to see any evidence this magazine even exists. The generic 'no reproduction without permission' notice means you can't copy and publish an article verbatim and call it your own work. A short quote with attribution is fine. But how do we know the magazine isn't making it all up themselves? Where are they getting their information? Are they interviewing Gower himself (the only person who would know the origin of Lumbridge)? Or just making their own theories? In the latter case, we might as well cite some bloke in the pub. Connections with people and places in a different country seems much less plausible than Jagex simply making the names themselves. I don't really care if any of this is true or not; Wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. So far, this doesn't seem verifiable, hence my objections. CaptainVindaloo t c e 16:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
You clearly said no personal attacks. I do wish to keep My talk page out of this discussion.

The email, as previously stated was answered to a fellow wikipedian who was backing me up, even sent me an email from the sampling team member, this user did not ask whether or not was the game’s audio or the graphics and why the email was answered. I know, Wikipedia is not about theories and the so called “theories” I did not made up.
’’’’’Please note’’’’’If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, ‘’’’’’do not submit it’’’’’. These words are not mine. Well, this magazine is only sold at Oxxo’s as I said, which appear to be only in Mexico, and the date of the magazine dates 2004, we are in 2007 know, etc… Yet, I am uncertain while reading “no reproduction without permission” in Spanish that how would this rule apply. And what I do not know where this information is obtained but this magazine has been very accurate on tips and tricks. Why would a magazine lie to lose their customers? And bloke in the pub was my idea. :@ I currently live in the UK btw, (not to give much info about me)Mchacon89 23:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you guys still arguing? Who are you btw? Mchacon89 23:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Erm, who am I talking to? Is 76.178.115.36 your IP and you just forgot to log in, or someone else entirely? CaptainVindaloo t c e 00:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
This IP is not mine despite the fact you might think because we've been arguing for so long. You have made the situation worst than it is. I quit. My User talk is really getting spammed by you, I don't know how to say it nicer. If I could've banned 76.178.115.36 I would have done so, but I don't know how. I am a little inexperienced as compared to you. Feel free to do it, or tell me. I just hope it is not you or a friend 'backing you up'. And once again. Leave me alone as I will to you, or unless you really want to continue. And um, u didn't responded me to my question, instead u went oftopic.

Official Signature: Mchacon89 04:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I only asked about the IP because I saw it rewrite most of your comments (and alter one of mine aswell). I'll reverse the changes, if you want me to. It's not my IP; WHOIS places it in the US. I haven't asked any friends for backup, just other editors for third opinions, with no expectation that they side with me. I apologise if I'm starting to get annoying, but I am only asking for real sources for those statements, and I'd rather reply to your posts than simply ignore you. If you have them, go ahead and add them, or provide me with the information and I'll do it for you. If someone else has the source information, please ask them to add it. Administrators are users with blocking rights (banning is a bit different, more of a social construct: a universal ban is usually enforced with a block, but a ban from certain articles doesn't warrant an immediate block). I am not an administrator. And sorry, what was your question? CaptainVindaloo t c e 16:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

My Question and a reply This magazine volume dates 2004, and says “no reproduction without permission” In Spanish. The Mexican law, should vary someway or form. This magazine has been very accurate to me and to other players, therefore I trust everything it says. I conclude that the magazine wouldn’t want to make original theories and lie to their customer to lose them. The article DYK its not really about one person agreeing on not on both the Verificability and Truth, with what you called “blantly fabricated sources”. Wikipedia states "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." not that I would do it, but it is worth pointing it out. Well, according to me, I think Jagex wouldn’t want to become isolationist by basing entirely their game on the UK customs (which they are not- see RS DYK) nor say negative things about the United States, their main source of customers. And about the email, which I didn’t wrote to Robert L of Jagex Sampling Staff, its very brief and does not clearly state his working position. Mchacon89 00:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC). I was searching the internet to see what was more accurate the WHOIS or this [4] which I have seen on many sites.

Don't worry about it. You won't be reproducing any content from the magazine, you'll be citing it as a source. Attributed quotes are quite acceptable. Trust me, if citing publications as sources like this was illegal anywhere, Wikipedia would have every publisher in the world after it. I would never say that the magazine would lie to their customers; but if they are merely speculating on the connection, it carries less weight than if Andrew Gower were telling them about it. In the former case, it may be better to rewrite the statement to say "(magazine name) speculates that...". Also note that both Draynor Manor and The Addam's Family are preceded by about 16 billion generic haunted houses in horror B movies. CaptainVindaloo t c e 15:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your fault?

Maybe not. Still don't blame it on this user who reverts your articles. Blame it on everyone, because it has no exterior links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madafaka (talk • contribs) 03:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Write anything else here