Talk:Mazher Mahmood

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(I cleared out the old discussion which had grown quite stale. It is in the history if you need it.)


Please note the above comment is unsigned. The Mazher Mahmood page has a history of illiciting strong opinions and there is a suspicion among some editors of the page (please click on the archive link to see) that Mahmood himself attempts to dispute some of its contents. It is recommended that editors of the page read the archive before proceeding to avoid replication of comments. 193.129.65.37 03:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Targets vs victims

I think that the use of the word "victim" in this article is highly POV. It is quite strange to speak of people who were sent to jail after being the subject of investigative journalism as "victims". I recommend the use of more neutral language throughout.--Jimbo Wales 15:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The term "victim" is only applied in the article to those who have been "exposed" for adultery or other non-criminal acts (such as simply meeting with an Arab sheikh - albeit a fake one, in Mahmood's case - which is somehow seen as evidence of corruption even if no money has been exchanged) that Mahmood and his employers in the tabloid press have used to sully the reputation of celebrities.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 19:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
The article refers to "celebrity victims exposed for drugs", presumably illegal, so I don't think your statement is correct. --Michael Snow 16:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It is not up to wikipedia to make that value judgment. Take it out.--Jimbo Wales 14:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Is that a suggestion or a demand? There is nothing stopping you from making the changes yourself.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 14:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
A suggestion. I apologize for my tone, I had to run and did not get to finish my comments. I should not have saved it that way.--Jimbo Wales 20:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
No problems. I have no issues with changing the wording.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 20:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Might I suggest the word "targets" instead? That should be more neutral, it doesn't imply a conclusion about whether the subjects of his investigations deserved to be targeted, or whether the investigations were appropriately conducted. --Michael Snow 16:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sounds OK to me, although the use of the word "victim" wasn't the target of the recent vandalism attacks on the article - the user carrying out the attacks was mostly keen on removing Mazher Mahmood's photograph and information relating to his attempt to bribe the politician George Galloway.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 16:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea if it will do anything about vandalism, but that doesn't excuse us from the need to produce an unbiased article. I've made the substitution for all instances I could find. --Michael Snow 17:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that the main reason for Mazher Mahmood's notoriety is that he targets people in order to 'victimise' them, in the sense of subjecting them to trickery, ill-treatment and suffering. At the very least, 'victim' might be considered a reasonably balanced term where the subject has been targeted as an end in itself, without any allegation of any illegal act. I haven't altered the text.


does anybody know where i can find a transcipt of the interview with the countess of w? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.48.200.97 (talk) 16:52, August 24, 2007 (UTC)