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[edit] Black (people)

Man! I didn't even get a first level warning! For a mistake in an attempt to revert vandalism none the less! maxcap 12:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay. I'll get rid of the warning, but be careful next time. -Royboycrashfan 21:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC) P.S. I know you didn't get a first level warning, but you often start with a second level warning if it's a moderate offense, such as blanking.

[edit] Nu metal

Yeah, those dividers you inserted into the overview section don't really serve a purpose right now. However, if you replace them with appropriate section titles ("Origins", "Decline', etc.), that would work much better. WesleyDodds 22:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genreboxes

The WikiProject page says "The infobox (the table to the right) is for the primary genre pages (in this case, hip hop music). It should go at the top of the page." It also says to use a footer on other pages, but I think footers are slowly going the way of the dinosaur. Tuf-Kat 02:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it seemed way overkill to me. Some pages even had two such boxes, as though a reader of funkcore needs a link to everything from Afrobeat to Umeå hardcore... Tuf-Kat 02:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

Hey, I'm wondering if you are interested in joining a Wikiproject I am starting focused on alternative/indie rock. WesleyDodds 04:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I created a temp page for the project at User:WesleyDodds/Alternative music. Please list any pages you can think of that apply to the relevant sections, or create your own. WesleyDodds 07:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject started

I've started the project, which is located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music. WesleyDodds 23:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Hot Chili Peppers

That's fine. It can be hard to tell sometimes. If I had thought it was serious vandalism when I reverted it, I would have left you a message. — ßottesiηi Tell me what's up 19:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the revert on that Philosophy section... I was going to let it sit for a couple hours before I'd have reverted myself - mostly to avoid a revert fight. Xinit 00:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sub Pop

Our Band Could Be Yoru Life is my main source as well. However, the Nirvana biography Come As You Are (also by Azerrad) has a little more detail of Sub Pop at the time. WesleyDodds 23:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Egon Schiele

Hi, I'm so glad you added the nude to this article. I was amazed that an article on Schiele hadn't included one until now! Nice move of the landscape, too. Pinkville 13:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grunge timeline

Thanks. Like I said, the alt rock timeline seemed a bit too complex for its own timeline, but the grunge scene was compact enough to give a simple timeline of bands for it. -- LGagnon 20:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy metal citations

Well, it was about time anyway that we bring an old Featured Article like this up to current standards, which includes inline citations. I plan to dig through some books (I happen to own Ian Christe's book, bought during the whole Alternative metal debate, which is one of the references) for stuff to cite when it comes to the history portion. Can you handle trying to find sources online that back up the lines you flagged recently in the article? Thanks. WesleyDodds 01:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RHCP EL

I'm conflicted by the link you added... the site provides some excellent information, but it does also provide pop-under ads.... --Xinit 19:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It's fluffy, but I'd rather see it on an externally linked page than included in the article itself, so I'm holding off on removing it myself for now. --Xinit 19:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Green Day reference

You mentioned Jim Derogtis' book Milk it once to me. Do you happen to own it? There's a line I wrote in the intro of the Green Day article (that Green Day is responsible for a revival in punk rock) that I planned to reference with his article on the year in review of 1994. Problem was I had to return the book to the library before I got around to it. If you can, please put in an inline citation for it. Thanks.

Also, check out the Collaboration of the Week proposal at the Alternative Music Wikiproject. There's a link on the talk page. WesleyDodds 00:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ReadyMade

Check this... User:ReadyMade -- Xinit 19:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess there's a reason why the word "fan" is used, being short for "fanatic" and all that. Must harness the energy for good, though. -- Xinit 19:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Stadium Arcadium - Trivia

Erm.. I am pretty sure what you just did is called blanking, there was no reason to remove the trivia or you yourself should have at least put it into the article, it may be a preference of yours for article to not contain a trivia section but does not mean you should remove it. Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 19:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel that information is necessary, if you feel strongly about it why don't you integrate it. maxcap 19:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Beacuse i dont have to, thats not the point, blanking sections of articles because you " don't feel that information is necessary" is not a valid rationale for deleting, if you do it again i will have to give you a warning which i dont want to have to do. Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 19:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Punk Revival Merge Discussion

your qoute: "I'd like to see some sort of notable reference for this "revival". maxcap 12:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)" Word, sir... check out whats going on there Talk:Pop_punk_revival and add you opinion to the "Merge Discussion" Xsxex 21:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: List of alternative metal artists edit

Master Maxcap,

Instead of heading into an edit war with you on the list of alternative metal artists, I would like to take the chance to discuss said article "behind the scenes" with you. You removed my three additions on the basis that they are not 'alternative metal.' As you can see, the Wikipedia article on the genre describes it as such, The term is used as a very loose categorization, but is usually used to describe artists playing a style of metal which is considered either a unique approach to metal music or difficult to define as strictly metal or alternative, and As the term "alternative metal" is used to refer to bands with a unifying characteristic despite their tendency towards different sounds, subgenres of alternative metal. The genre from my knowledge is not so much a genre as a characterization (as the name would suggest) for "the alternative." Many if not all bands currently featured on the list fit as such into descriptions of different genres as well as alternative metal. For example: Korn, nu-metal, Tool, art metal, and Soundgarden and Alice In Chains, grunge. You must see that excluding an artist on the argument that they fit into another genre is not really valid.

If you do not agree with my assessment, I have fetched several citations from allmusic.com, who I daresay I regard as having more expertise than either you or me, on the three bands in question.

Incubus: Incubus rose to become one of the most popular alt-metal bands of the new millennium, [1]

Sepultura (from the article on alt-metal): and even world music (later Sepultura), [2]

Staind: [3] (alt metal is listed as the album's foremost genre).

From the site's article on alt metal: At its outset, alternative metal was a style united by its nonconformist sensibility rather than any immediately classifiable sound, [4].

Such is the point I am trying to communicate. Make no mistake, I am not trying to aggravate you or prove you wrong, but just hope to achieve agreement via the evidence above on the inclusion of the bands.

Musikxpert 08:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In Reply to Last Message

Your rationale does make sense, and so I hereby agree with you. There are definite differences between alt and nu-metal as you said. But wouldn't it perhaps be better to note on the page that it is just a list of innovators or something? And in that case we can excuse Staind and Incubus, but I still think Sepultura is pretty important. Would it make sense to think about removing HIM and a couple other then? I really don't think it's logical to say that HIM have made much contribution to alt metal as a whole. Cheers, Musikxpert 06:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks cool to me. Thanks and best of luck for the future. If the person below should read this, I don't think this user is meaning to be a vandal or make unconstructive edits to the site. Musikxpert 00:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Indie (music)

Don't know about you, but I'm torn between massively rewriting this article or just chucking it and redirecting the name back to indie rock. For one, the first sentence defines what the article's going to be about, and then half the article is spent discussing the "definitions of indie"!! And the second half seems to be pretty much an essay on the advantages of going indie. It's a hodgepodge of random ideas better suited to more specific articles (ie. independent record label, alternative rock) that could possibly be worked into an article but are just thrown together instead. What do you think? WesleyDodds 02:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RCU

I thought you might like to know that LUCPOL submitted your name with a list of what he believes to be sockpuppets to WP:RCU, here. --Wildnox 23:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I just figured I'd tell you about it, I'm at complete loss as to how he could think you are a sock. --Wildnox 23:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] WikiProject Rock music invitation

Hello WikiProject Alternative music member.
WikiProject Alternative music, in my eyes, has proved to be successful "improving the encyclopaedic coverage of articles relating to alternative rock", and improving their quality as well. One specific example I have witnessed is The Smashing Pumpkins article. The page has gone from a mediocre work, to GA status, to FA nomination. Only appropriate, as the Pumpkins are undeniably one of the most influential alternative rock bands on the 1990's and beyond.
This is the stuff I wish to achieve with the somewhat recently ressurected WikiProject Rock music. I hope to also attract attention to rock music articles of all sorts, and hopefully change some to GA or FA status. I invite you to come join us, and not only be a member of alternative Wikipedians, but the rockin' ones as well.
Rock on.
-- Reaper X 02:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RHCP CD

Ah, never actually thought of things that way! It's possible I simply, taking the mass accessibility of a CD, read through the actual format of the recording when I wrote the section. Great job for actually noticing it. Regards, NSR77 (Talk|Contribs) 22:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music and sources

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