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[edit] Sources?

Most of the material on this page appears to be 'adapted' from the rotten.com article on the same subject. Although the Rotten profile is good, it can also be found on Max Hardcore's own website, which might create a problem. As Max Hardcore is, to put it mildly, something of a controversial figure, perhaps further research is needed?

If I have time, I will adapt this page myself. Thanks Will Lakeman 18:54, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I changed a line from (paraphrase) there worthlessness as people to 'what his characters claim are there worthlessness as people'. One is a character judgement, the other is a plot description. To claim porn actressess are worthless is a terriblly non-NPOV act of misanthropy. - Duckmonster (And I apologise, I dont watch porn, but this is self evident. No one is worthless)

Duck, in fairness, it does say the characters revel in the worthlessness (thus not the real people). But, the real reason that I am commenting here is that it does not seem to me that Max Hardcore should be credited with the frequency of anal sex in porn. This was already a dominant feature of a lot of porn by the time he became active. His role in the obvious misogyny of current porn is worth exploring however.--SVTCobra 02:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The article lists his DOB as 1944, but yet the article is in the "1956 category". I would edit it myself to fix the incongruity, but I am unsure of which is the correct date. --McGravin 18:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I read through the article and to me it's pretty NPOV as it is. All sides of the story are included, so IMO we could remove the neutrality dispute tag. --Rasbelin 13:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd guess 1956 ... 1944 would make him 62 now and he doesn't look nearly so old. Benwing 23:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

AGE NOTE: the year is actually 1956 (hence i changed it in the info). Max and I have the same hometown. He is the most famous person from Racine, WI!!! if you have ever visited there, its not difficult to understand how he turned out the way he did! i also added the first makings of an 'early life' section, to try and trace max's roots in Racine, but i found little info. Zenzizenzizenzic 18:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm also from Racine, and I'd like to say that I agree with "Zen's" comment about "If you have ever visited [Racine], it's not difficult to understand how he turned out the way he did." 129.89.197.175 05:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)rubinia

What exactly does that mean? 66.30.196.89 (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

I've added three tags to the article:

  • Verification because it doesn't cite any sources
  • POV because some sections are not NPOV, particularly the section on his early life
  • Accuracy because the info in the first paragraph contradicts the infobox, and some of what's in the infobox seems highly dubious (blue eyed negro? weighs 90 lbs?).

--Anchoress 01:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] New Trial

Someone needs to write a section about his new indecency trial. Apparently its going to be a big one, with the government trying to seize his assets and all.--Hndsmepete 05:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Descriptions of action from Max videos

A recent group of edits adds descriptions of Max's treatment of actresses that are either unsourced, or based on primary sources (the videos). This lacks perspective in several ways:

  • Is all this common throughout his work?
  • Do most viewer agree this is what is being depicted, especially in the inferences about how the actresses are treated?
  • Is this sort of thing unique to Max's ouvre, or is this common in some sectors of the American porn industry?

These things are consistent with the reputation Max has, but I cannot tell if there is a slant here (promotional or villifing -- could even be both). Could use much more sourced analysis.

I think some actresses have been quoted saying things about Max being generally a crummy employer. Can't think of any names. I'm wondering if the "Daddy" issue is being overplayed in this article since there now exist a few series with "Daddy" in the title, and as part of the patter in the performance — did Max pioneer this, or is he jumping on that trend? Again, sources are needed. / edg ☺ ☭ 13:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

There should be more discussion here about the subject matter in general or maybe a general discussion of the trend of brutality towards female actresses in the adult entertainment industry. Max Hardcore is the extreme example of this trend, without question and is I think considered the pioneer of the genre. To mention Max Hardcore without discussion of extreme female humiliation (even though it may be consensual and/or “acted” or simply a portrayal or a reality) is to overlook the essential nature of all of the Max Hardcore material that the general public is familiar with and the persona that Max Hardcore himself appears to project.

Almost all of the Max Hardcore material I have seen includes urinating on the actresses and in their mouths, depiction (whether real or contrived) of anal abuse and extreme male domination. Max Hardcore’s popularity speaks volumes about the human condition and it would be interesting to hear qualified psychologist’s thoughts and analysis of this subject matter and the possible causes of it’s gaining popularity and the possible long term psychological effects on the actresses and the viewers.

This being said I think that it should also be discussed from a legal prospective and what the ramifications are to free speech and American liberties in general should the government succeed in obscenity prosecutions against him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slarabee (talk • contribs) 15:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)