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[edit] Concentration Camp?

This article says:

Following the onset of World War II, Ernst was detained as an enemy alien but with the assistance of the American journalist Varian Fry in Marseille, he managed to escape the country with Peggy Guggenheim.

..but the Leonora Carrington article says he was put into a German concentration camp:

The new couple collaborated and supported each other's artistic development until the German's invaded their French village and took Ernst to a concentration camp in 1940.

..and this article has no mention of Leonora Carrington. Can someone more knowledgeable on this subject help to clarify this ambiguity?-Eric 05:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Movie title

Should the movie title "Dangerous Correspondance" have the existing French spelling or should it be the English spelling: "Dangerous Correspondence"? --darklilac 21:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age?

at the beginning of the article, it says:

"Max Ernst (April 2, 1891 – April 1, 1976) was a German dadaist and surrealist artist."

..however, "under Life" it reads:

"Max Ernst was born in Bruhl, Germany. In 1910, he enrolled in the University of Bonn to study philosophy but soon abandoned the courses."

..should the sentence be changed? I know it's imparting that he enrolled at the age of 19, but upon initial scanning, i in error thought it was stating that he was (incorrectly) born in 1910.

--Threatis 12:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Important paintings

This section is an important and essential part of this article, demonstrating the paintings Visually. It is necessary in order to correctly understand Max Ernst the Surrealist painter. Modernist 12:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The section violates WP:NFCC. Rettetast 10:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
With respect to your opinion - I Don't Think So. - Modernist 16:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC) see sections 5 through 10 in the policy you cite! or see WP:NFC section 2.3. and see WP:WPFU.
Under WP:NFC and WP:UCS - per WP:NFC see acceptable images #7, per WP:UCS - should be obvious, All these images have valid Fair Use Rationales, including one image that has its own article, and they illustrate in this article an important Visual artist's pioneering innovations that cannot be described any other way. A matter of opinion here and I do not agree with you. Modernist 12:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It is definitely established that certain use of non-free image content is allowed for art. However, the images should be anchored in the text, which should refer to them. At the moment this does not happen. There are too many images for the amount of text, and the images cannot be relied on alone to convey the meaning. If the text were expanded and the images referred to specifically, then inclusion could probably be justified. Non-free use should be kept to a minimum and to the essential. At the moment, the non-free use is excessive in relation to the existing text, and some could be justified, but not so many. So: expand text or remove some of the images. Tyrenius 15:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, frankly the gallery worked much better. I'll reduce the number of images. Modernist 15:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the original selection of images was a little excessive. Still I hold the opinion that in an article about a visual artist it is sometimes necessary to include several examples of thier work when that artist's career spans a wide varity of styles over a long period of time. I think that the selection of images used now represents the most important examples of Ernst's work. I have also decided to re-include Ubu Imperator as it is on of Ernst's most famous works. Justin Foote 00:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
yet again Ive removed the images that shouldnt be in the article right now. Unless there is critical commentary about the images dont use them. you cant just show a list of major works. If you want to do something like that, research the background, history, and affects of the image, and then the use of the image may be used. Using images without showing that the article must have the image isnt allowed. create the text that requires the images, dont just list the images. βcommand 01:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I added two paintings from 1937-1942. The text concerning World War II supports the two paintings from the period 1937 through 1942. Don't remove them, they visually depict what cannot be depicted with words. Modernist 04:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I re-included Ubu Imperator as it is one of Ernst's most famous works. See remarks above by Justin Foote. - Modernist 14:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Selected paintings?

The selected paintings list is entirely too long, and does not seem the least bit "selected." This needs to be trimmed by at least half. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 05:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Difficult to know how to prune this list. I know what's notable in terms of stylistic innovation, public recognition, etc, and it would seem obvious to include some of the best examples of different eras & styles, such as collages, assemblages, decalcomanias, sculptures, etc. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 12:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and that is why I did not edit the list last night. There really has to be a discussion first. But, at this point, that list is longer than the rest of the article. How many of those works have separate articles? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Making space

It looks like the picture of Ernst as a young man will be deleted. Modernist (talk) 12:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it will be missed. Are you deleting it? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
It's up for debate on Commons, but given there is an image of Ernst with Dorothea, I can't get too excited about losing this one. It's copyright status is moot, but I guess the Commons guys know about this sort of thing. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 15:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... I was not aware it was up for debate. Regardless, I really cannot get exercised about it. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Thats not my point, - I mentioned it because there will be room for another image once it goes. In fact if you want to place a different image there - say one of the paintings it might work. Modernist (talk) 23:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Interesting idea, and my opinion would be that it could be one that even a casual reader would probably be familiar with, such as The Elephant Celebes. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 23:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather use a picture that isn't currently being used. The Elephant Celebes is currently the lead image on Surrealism. Little Machine Constructed by Minimax Dadamax in Person (1919-1920) or The Hat Makes the Man (1920) might work. - Modernist (talk) 04:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)