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[edit] Wikibreak

Daniel, I'm very sorry to see that you've taken the arguments at MediaWiki talk:Sitenotice so personally. I hope you can see that people expressing their views there is no reflection on the project as a whole and no reason to quit. Please change your mind and return from your wikibreak. Your efforts here will be very much missed otherwise. Angela. 09:43, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

I am happy you are not leaving Wikimedia mav, because you are an important part of it. I keep in mind what you asked me yesterday and what I answered, and I suppose you could not find satisfaction elsewhere. I regret that for you. Receive my thoughts. Anthere 17:44, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I, too, am happy that you are not leaving Wikimedia entirely.
I wish you'd come back here, though. Your presence will be very much missed. :-(
James F. (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Your contributions to en Wikipedia are invaluable. I'm sure I'm the first of many to say best wishes, regardless of whether you decide to come back to en. CheekyMonkey 22:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Take care, Mav. Hope you come back soon. -- PFHLai 04:07, 2005 September 7 (UTC)

Thanks to you all for your kind words! The issue that caused my little outburst seems to have settled down. So I think I'll stay but will need to concentrate my efforts on more meta issues. --mav

[edit] Sock puppet

Maybe you missed my previous message. Before you go out from wikipedia, will you please desysop your sock puppet Daniel Mayer from es.wiki. Nobody voted that account for sysop. Do you break local wiki rules just because you can, or what? --es:Angus 20:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC) PS. Heh, that situation of people of USA breaking the rules abroad but not daring to do it at home is nothing new.. I see there is no sysop Daniel Mayer here...

That is not a sock-puppet. It is an account I use for official Wikimedia business, such as editing the sitewide message on es.wiki. --mav
Read this. Of course, asking a local admin (the ambassador if you don't know which one) to update the site notice is, for some reason, out of the question (not official enough?). Or even using your legitimate, relic from the past, sysop account in es.wiki (Maveric149), if you can't trust the locals (!). I wonder if the site notice here is unofficial, since you didn't edit it officially...
I don't understand why you keep trying to justify your behaviour. Don't bypass the rules of the local wikis. Bypass the rules and create sysops only when urgently needed. Desysop them as soon as the need ends. Why do I need to tell you all this? --es:Angus 23:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Because I need to edit often enough that it is a real pain to have to sysop and de-sysop myself on a hundred different wikis every time I need to edit. I'll go ahead and de-sysop my old account. Consider this an account name change if it makes you feel better. I'm still the same person. --mav
... I would like you to do things because they are right, and not to make me feel better. Anyway the sentiment is appreciated. --es:Angus 02:46, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Remember User:Paektu?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Paektu <-- There, that's him. Remember Paektu? He claims to come from Pyongyang. I thought people didn't have Internet Access in North Korea. Look here though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Korea

How he got on the Internet is beyond me. Please PM me if you have anything to say about this. --Shultz 03:18, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images for deletion

Hi, I ran a script on Special:Unusedimages and found that you uploaded 279 orphan images. I've listed them at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. If you are intersted in keeping them, head over there to defend them. Thanks. :) Coffee 17:57, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I've just removed the 1200px and misc images for now... you can look over them and decide what to do, there's no hurry to delete. Images that are still unused may be renominated in the future. Coffee 19:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Image:20 Mule Team at Harmony Borax.jpg, Image:Andrew jackson.jpg, Image:Arthur as Dorothy.jpg, Image:Barnacle goose.JPG, Image:Bean goose.JPG, Image:Bill Maher1.jpg, Image:Billy the Kid.jpg, Image:Bob Vila.jpg, Image:Bob Vilas Home Again.jpg, Image:Bolivar.jpg, Image:Bonanza starring.jpg, Image:Brent goose.JPG, Image:COPS intro.jpg, Image:California Capitol-fromSW.JPG, Image:California Secretary of State building on October 7, 2003.jpg, Image:Carey Kipuka.jpg, Image:Cartman South Park.jpg, Image:Clarence Dutton.jpg, Image:Collared lizard in Zion National Park.jpg, Image:Daniel webster.jpg, Image:DeVito Big Kahuna.jpg, Image:Dolly the sheep2.jpg, Image:Don Knotts as Mr Furley.jpg, Image:Double Hole Crater showing lava pool-1200px.JPG, Image:Douglas as Spartacus.jpg, Image:Drew Carey Show1.jpg, Image:Duchovny as Mulder.jpg, Image:Elmo on Elmos World.jpg, Image:Everybody Loves Raymond1.jpg, Image:ExxonValdezBoomed.jpg, Image:Fonz Happy Days.jpg, Image:Frakes as Riker.jpg, Image:Friends intro.jpg, Image:Geologic events in Death Valley.png, Image:Golden Aster in Zion National Park.jpg, Image:Gthomas.jpg, Image:Herman Munster.jpg, Image:Hoflentrance-thumbnail.jpg, Image:Honoré Mirabeau.jpg, Image:Howard Stern1.jpg, Image:Image Policy scalebar.png, Image:Jeopardy!.jpg, Image:Jesse Owens.jpg, Image:Joe Montana on ESPN.jpg, Image:Johannes Kepler.jpg, Image:John Wayne in Tycoon.jpg, Image:John calhoun.jpg, Image:Kenny on South Park.jpg, Image:Laika-space mut.jpg, Image:Law and Order1.jpg, Image:LeBlanc as Joey.jpg, Image:LouisXIV-crop.jpg, Image:LouisXIV.jpg, Image:Map of Long Vallly Mono area.png, Image:Mazama collapse phase.jpg, Image:Medicine Lake Volcano from Captain Jack's Stronghold in Lava Beds NM-1200px.JPG, Image:Miguel de Cervantes.jpg, Image:Mirror Lake by Charles Weed.jpg, Image:Neuwirth as Lilith.jpg, Image:Nicholas2.jpg, Image:Oscar the Grouch.jpg, Image:Pgreat.jpg, Image:Pope Pius VII.jpg, Image:Pthcceiling-thumbnail.jpg, Image:Reiner as Meathead.jpg, Image:RhododendronRoosevelt-thumb.jpg, Image:Robert Mugabe.jpg, Image:Roosevelt on Bright Angel Trail.jpg, Image:Rowan Williams.jpg, Image:Sanford Son intro.jpg, Image:Snowgoose.JPG, Image:Spartacus movie1.jpg, Image:Spartacus movie2.jpg, Image:Stan on South Park.jpg, Image:Stapleton as Edith.jpg, Image:Star TrekTNG Descent.jpg, Image:Stewart as Picard.jpg, Image:Struthers as Gloria.jpg, Image:Swallow.JPG, Image:The Irwins.jpg, Image:The children of Charles I of England-painting by Sir Anthony van Dyck in 1637.jpg, Image:Thomas Edison-thumb.jpg, Image:Thomas Malthus.jpg, Image:Threes Company intro.jpg, Image:Threes Company1.jpg, Image:Time cover.jpg, Image:Timor-thumb.png, Image:Tiny Toons intro.jpg, Image:Tiny Toons2.jpg, Image:Tom and Jerry.jpg, Image:Triumph dog.jpg, Image:USS Monitor.jpg, Image:Upper Yellowstone Fall-1200px.JPG, Image:Utah Penstemon in Zion National Park.jpg, Image:Volcan's Eye on Lassen Peak from Lake Helen-1200px.JPG, Image:Washington irving.jpg, Image:Wheel of Fortune2.jpg, Image:White as Rose.jpg, Image:Whitefront.JPG, Image:William sherman.jpg, Image:Winston churchill.jpg, Image:Yellowstone Caldera map.png, Image:Zebra Tail Lizard.JPG

[edit] Personal Attack

I've removed your personal attack from the page Wikipedia:Anti-elitism. Please do not resort to personal attacks. Thanks. Rob Church Talk | Desk 22:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Richie Ramirez

According to the history of this image, you were the one that added it. It since got flagged as to-be-deleted-unless-copyright-verified, but I found a source that appears to suggest that it's a US government picture, though perhaps if you can remember clear back to 2003 when you put it up, we could nail it down completely. Not sure how obsessive the admins are about verifying copyright. --Orborde 05:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] American music

I have reorganized American popular music, giving it a tighter focus. In doing so, it has become significantly smaller. I would appreciate any additional comments you might have at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/American popular music. Thanks, Tuf-Kat 02:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Off to bed with me now. I'll have to take a look at lunch. --mav

[edit] Spoo!

Spoo has just been featured! Thanks for your support! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Cite sources

I just used you as an example of a user who uses inote to avoid clutter in Wikipedia talk:Cite sources. Hope you don't mind. Mozzerati 07:55, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. :) --mav

[edit] Image:Northern Spotted Owl.USFWS.jpg

Are you going to use this image? If not, just let me know so it could be deleted. Thanks. Zach (Sound Off) 04:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Comment: it is obviously a larger version of Image:Northern Spotted Owl.USFWS-thumb.jpg. -Hapsiainen 11:33, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] CHNM Interview

Hello,

I’m a historian working at the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University and we are very interested in digital, peer-produced works of history, including history articles in Wikipedia. We’d like to talk to people about their experiences working on articles in Wikipedia, in connection with a larger project on the history of the free and open source software movement. Would you be willing to talk with us about your involvement, either by phone, a/v chat, IM, or email? This could be as lengthy or brief a conversation as you wish.

Thanks for your consideration.

Ken Albers

kalbers at gmu dot edu

I would not mind that at all. :) --mav

[edit] ArbCom elections

Hello, Mav/archive 25. In case you haven't noticed, I'm writing a special series on the upcoming 2005 ArbCom elections for The Wikipedia Signpost. In the October 17 issue, we will be profiling the current ArbCom members. Note that this should not be a platform for re-election; rather, it should serve as an insight into what you feel about the ArbCom, and your opinions of it are. Thus, I hope you don't mind answering a few questions. Many thanks!

1. Are up for re-election this year?
2. If so, do you plan to run for re-election?
3. How do you feel about serving on the ArbCom?
4. What do you think are the strengths of the ArbCom?
5. Weaknesses?
6. If you could change anything, what would you change? Why?
7. Do you regret accepting your position? Why or why not?
8. If you could say one thing to the current ArbCom candidates, what would you say, and why?
9. Do you think your job is easy? Hard? Explain.
10. Looking in retrospective, is there anything you would have done differently?
11. Do you feel that the ArbCom is appreciated by the community? If not, how do you think that could be changed?
12. What is the most frustrating thing about being on the ArbCom? Enjoyable?

I hope you didn't mind me bombarding with you with questions; by no means feel obligated to answer all (or any) of them. Thanks for serving Wikipedia, and for taking your time to help a Signpost reporter! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 14:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas

Howdy...we've been working on some template changes in the protected areas project and would appreciate your continued contribution for sure. Link through the "status" and "general" subpages to see what's going on.--MONGO 05:12, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gidday

I hopr you're enjoying your break ,and it's nice to see your old photo back. You'll recall that I thought that other one too solemn. Arno 08:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Signpost

Hello, Maveric149. I noticed that you haven't replied to the questions for the Wikipedia Signpost. If you would take some time out of your busy schedule to briefly reply, that would be greatly appreciated. If you wish for the responses to be included in next week's Signpost, please try and have them to me as soon as possible, preferably by Thursday or Friday so I have time to write the article. Thanks very much! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 19:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] es:wiki

I understand you are an inactive admin at es:wiki. I have a minor snag there I'm trying to resolve in my favor, and wonder if you might have some time to review the situation and let me know your opinion. Thanks. paul klenk talk 20:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help! I am being hassled by what appears to be a sockpuppet vandal

Please take a look at the edit history for Accountable 1135. Please help if you can. Rex071404 216.153.214.94 01:46, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

  • You're absolutly right, I'm not really an anonymous editor, my absence of a lengthy edit history is just a ploy to make it look like I'm anonymous, while really, I'm a sockpuppet of anonymous--anon editor 01:56, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Henry the Navigator

An article that you've edited before (Henry the Navigator) is nominated for Biography Collaboration of the Week. If you want go there and vote. Thanks. Gameiro 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Image Policy scalebar.png has been listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Image Policy scalebar.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.


[edit] Greetings Mav

It is about time you took a break! I hope you enjoyed it thoroughly rather than obsessing about wikipedia. Personally I am very impressed with what you (we) all have accomplished while I have been doing other things and relaxing with only an occasional anonymous visit. Congratulations on your selection as Treasurer and Board Member. See you around. user:mirwin P.S. Do not worry about me. If I see Larry or Lee eyeballing me I will stand and shout back or runaway ... as seems most appropriate at the time for effective pursuit my personal hidden agenda. 8) Thanks for coaching me through my first couple of months last time regarding the community/factions expectations and mission. It was very helpful and saved me a lot of calendar time. P.S.2 What is with the divine right thing? I mean, we always knew that Jimbo would have to become somewhat a figurehead as the project beyond the ability of one person to command but ..... is the magna carta approaching soon or is that information restricted to the cabal or the list? ;-) Just kidding, enjoy your vacation. I will figure it out myself before you get back.

[edit] Hi Mav, I have a question

Mav, there is a contributor that owns a record distributing company. She post her webstie as an External link. Is it against Wiki policy to post an external link in an article that will lead you to a site where a person may purchase merchandise of the person who is the object of the mentioned article? Thank you Tony the Marine 08:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

It depends on where the external link is placed. If it if placed in an article on her record company, then it is fine. If it is placed somewhere else it may or may not be wrong depending on how relevant that article is to the link. --mav


Here is an example. Notice the external link: Rapy Leavitt, Tony the Marine 14:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia position

From Curps's talk page:

You stated that it might be a good idea to consider a full-time paid position in the Wikimedia foundation that deals with ISPs' Abuse departments to counteract vandalism for the next fundraising drive. I can't find the edit where you made the proposal at most detail. Do you mind finding that diff, or better, start a Open letter to the board about that? Titoxd(?!?) 17:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

That is something that our legal dept needs to handle. If and when we hire somebody to handle that sort of thing is an open matter. Of more immediate importance is the hiring of another developer and then an experienced executive assistant to take over from Danny Wool so he can concentrate on grant writing (he is currently our interim executive assistant). A letter to the board will be much less effective than participating in the budgeting process for next year. See meta:Finance Department. --mav 19:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Hm. I'm not saying those are not important, but it definitely is something that needs to be done sooner than later. This is the diff in which he described in detail his proposal. Titoxd(?!?) 17:22, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I disagree slightly with the notion that ads might be required, but I cannot agree more that we need someone with more power to mind the store. Titoxd(?!?) 17:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Single-date articles

Hi Mav. Glad you like the principle of articles on single dates. I think they could add a lot of value to Wikipedia. Here are some points about the articles and if you have any feedback about them I'd be please to hear it.

  1. A new right hand sidebar has been added on the "date pages" that links to "this date in recent years". See e.g. February 25.
  2. The old look of "month pages" has been maintained through the use of transclusion. See e.g. February 2004. I was trying to work with two conflicting opinions here. Some people are simply resistant to change so I wanted to maintain the traditional way of viewing these pages as much as possible. Others do not like translusion of article namespace pages on principle. I have minimized the problems of such inclusion by making sure the section edit tags all work as well as possible.
  3. The current practice of linking to date and year separately e.g. linking to February 14 and then to 2005 borders on the absurd. The whatlinkshere pages for those sorts of articles are now totally useless. The only reason people link is because having links enforces date preferences to work. I've heard from Tim Starling and he says there is no technical reason to demand linking in order to force preferences. Making the relevant changes to the code so that it works for all dates (linked or not) is on his TODO list. With this in mind I would like to start encouraging linking to single dates (beyond some cut-off point - my current thinking is to have January 1, 2000 as a natural cut-off). Then whatlinkshere for those links would start to become useful.
  4. One downside is that I have created pages which are only on my watchlist and no-one elses. Although these pages are rarely vandalized, I might start to round up volunteers who will watchlist them to provide extra security.

If you think any points are particularly good or bad, let me know. Pcb21| Pete 10:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yoism VfD from two years ago

Over two years ago, you participated in (and to some degree, oversaw) a VfD re: Yoism. Despite the fact that Yoism has become a more substantial phenomenon in the ensuing period, immediately after the Yoism website had been hacked and before it was restored, the Yoism article was put through a VfD and a bunch of administrators who never looked at the website, had little or no knowledge of Yoism, and apparently refused to investigate and/or even review the VfD of two years earlier outvoted all of the less experienced users who had familiarity with the phenomenon. (Actually, the less experienced users with at least one prior unrelated edit outvoted the administrators but more than half were discounted as sock puppets.) In any case, given your history as an administrator who knows the history, I thought you might be interested in the VfU which is drawing to a close. Kriegman 15:16, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Important AfD

Hello again! It has been a while since we last ran into each other! Great to see that you're still around... I remember that you were the first editor from several years back to redirect the list of dictators. So, perhaps you'll be interested in the AfD that is giving me a headache at the moment. If you have time, please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. I'm a bit worried that the main protagonist for the keep side is threatening to reverse the long-established consensus against creating historical categorization schemes on Wikipedia based on editors' original research. If you are interested, I have been stating and restating the arguments that you in large part help to outline nearly three years ago at Talk:List of dictators. Best regards, 172 21:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration re-opened

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2 has been re-opened. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop. (SEWilco 03:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Hiya

Hey Mav,

I haven't seen you around in ages. Where have you been? Great to see you back again. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Douglas Adams

Hey mav,

I realize that you're quite busy, but I just wanted to bring this to your attention, since action has been taken on your objection to the article under FAC. Three editors (including myself) have done some work on the lead section since, expanding it into three paragraphs. It fairly well now touches on many of the major points in the article itself. Would you mind having another look and tell me what you think? If you find that there are still specific problems with the lead section, feel free to point them out (leave a message on my talk page if you like), and I'll revise/re-edit what I can. Thanks!

[edit] Just a hi

Hey Mav: it's me, Antonio Dodger Martin to say hi and let you know Im back.

How are you? I haven't been through many good times lately. I was ordered to undergo rehab by a doctor, possibly hospitalization, because of my Xanax addiction, of which I have very well documented about here. Well, I dodged one bullet today, with the hospitalization deal turned off by my family doctor, at least for now. We are looking at an alternative such as a outpatient treatment. I have been prescribed Xanax to treat muscle pain and concurrent anxiety after the December 2002 concussion I received whole playing Football, another incident that I talked about on my user page.

I haven't been on wikipedia for a looong time, and, at best, sporadically lately. Haven't written a new article in about two months. I don't like many of the new rules that people who came AFTER US, mind you, have voted for. But, Im back. HEHE so yeah I'll be doing some more extra work more frequently.

Well, just wanted to let you know Im back and basically ok. I hope to hear from you soon!

God bless you!

Your wikifriend Antonio Chiquititas' boy Martin

Hi Martin - It is great to hear from you! I hope you get better soon. We need more of your great articles. :) --mav

[edit] Semi-protection

I'll leave this message on Wikipedia as well, but I wanted to make sure you got this. At Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, a couple users and myself are attempting to gather consensus about a possible change in editing. So as not to keep the community out of the loop, we've been posting to user talk pages, which seems to have worked. If you can add your thoughts to the talk page, it would be greatly appreciated. We've gone over a few issues, ranging from perception of anti-wiki to time limits, and recycling pagemove code, so you might want to check out #Rehashing to get up to speed. Thanks in advance, Mysekurity(have you seen this?) 21:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lorenzo de Medici

Hi! Please have a look at Image talk:Lorenzo II de Medici.jpg, which is marked from deletion. I guess you uploaded it to meta, back in the golden age when mere wikipedias had no upload function :-) Maybe you remember the source? --Magnus Manske 22:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit]

Felix Navidad

Image:Santa.jpg

Tony the Marine

O.K. Mav, so you don't believe in Santa, but I still want to wish you and your loved ones all the happiness in the world and the best new year ever. Your friend, Tony the Marine 04:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool - thanks! Happy holidays to you too! --mav

[edit] MediaWiki:Sitenotice

Three lines of text can amount to spam.  Denelson83  07:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Not spam. This is a fund drive. --mav

[edit] Capitol Reef Geology

Looks very thorough, I like the inotes, hadn't seen them before. I'm not a geology expert so I can't really review what you have done especially with the references. One question, is it Lake Unita or Lake Uinta? I can find references to both but all the current maps show Uinta, I think people often transpose the letters because of the familiarity of Unita over Uinta. Bob Palin 02:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I see you've been updating the pictures on the Capitol Reef pages, I uploaded a better version of the Cathedral Valley picture of mine you cropped, took that part from the original which made a sharper picture. If you'd like to see what the park looked like last week after a snow fall take a look at Capitol Reef in Snow All of those pictures are copyrighted but I would consider releasing a few if you think they would fit somewhere. Bob Palin 05:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Cool - thanks :) -- mav

Fantastic job you are doing on the Capitol Reef pages, here's a hike I took today, found a Bighorn Sheep in The Grand Wash! Since you are handling the hardware side of the park I'm thinking of starting work on a flora and fauna article. It pretty much overlaps with a bigger area though so I'll have to think about where it might belong. Bob Palin 01:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Donation crediting

Hello there Mr. Mayer, I noticed on the large donors section for Day 8 of the fundraiser that you credited one of the $100 donations to Peter Hare. However, I believe it should be credited that I made the donation; his only involvement was having a PayPal account. Can you have it credited as James Hare, as it specifies in the comment section? —MESSEDROCKER (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Done for the report, but it won't be possible for the list, since that is based on the data we get from PayPal. Thanks for the donation! :) -- mav

[edit] Help!!

Dear Mav: Hey! Before I say anything else, I want to say Merry Christmas!! May you have a great time with your loved ones, many blessings and presents and have a very, very happy day and weekend.

I need to ask you to help me on a project I started its here Wikipedia:Wikiproject Cuba. Basically, I don't know much how to deal with the box to the right, as you cxan see it's a mess and I have only put essential information.

Thanks for the help you can give me, and God bless you! Once again, Merry Christmas!!!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Lila Martin

[edit] Good Articles

You delisted Geology of the Capitol Reef area and listed Wave-particle duality? Have you seen the size difference between the two? One is certainly much more complete than the other and a much better article. The presense of 'too many red links' is an invalid thing to object to even in the FAC process. Why should it matter here? And the article you promoted did not have a single image while the one you delisted has two (I'll be adding many more once I get my Linux drive back up). How many featured articles are you the main author of? I'm up to 15, including almost all 'geology of...' FAs. --mav 19:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

In response to the above comment you made on my Talk page, I apologize for criticizing one of your articles. I didn't realize that you needed to have fifteen featured articles and nearly 70,000 edits to have an opinion on someone else's article. I also didn't realize that long articles are automatically good articles. As I stated in the comment on the talk page for Geology of the Capitol Reef area, some articles may be able to do without images (such as Wave-particle duality). But clearly (as you pretty much admitted), your article could use some more pictures. I did not delist your article solely because it had a lot of red links. As my opinion is just that, you can always relist your article on the self-nominations page (as you did). If you're not willing to take criticism, why do you even bother to putting your article on the self-nomination page? Just add the good article template onto your articles at free will because obviously anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. joturner 21:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
All that is just an indication on how obviously wrong you were. I can also take criticism but only when it is valid and well-thought out. And you really need to take a look at the good article criteria. Your understanding is, at the least, confused. --mav

[edit] Japanese contribution 500$

Hi!

I am writing, because you forgot to credit a Japanese person (MASAYOSHI SAKAGUCHI JPY 50,000.00 -1,640.00 48,360.00 "Wiki is an excellent encyclopedia") for his equivalent of 500$ donation (and mentioned others with donation of 100$, and of course the 2000$). I guessed it would be more fair to also mention the him!

User:Msoos, not logged in for the moment 195.56.194.129 14:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No - I didn't forget. I just changed the capitalization to 'Masayoshi Sakaguchi'. --mav

[edit] Zulma Aguiar

Hey Mav: Whats up? I need you to do me a favor, check out the above sent page and vote on it based on what you think.

Other than that, Happy New Year!!! God bless you!!

Sincerely yours, Your friend always, Antonio No Reserve Martin

[edit] Image:Hitler walking out of Brown House after 1930 elections.jpg has been listed as a possibly unfree image

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Hitler walking out of Brown House after 1930 elections.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page to provide the necessary information on the source or licensing of this image (if you have any), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

-- WonYong 08:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Info already there. --mav

[edit] Happy Birthday!

Have a great day :) -- sannse (talk) 21:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Mav(bot)! Raul654 21:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Gee - thanks. :) -- mav

[edit] Happy New Year

Happy New Year, mav! And a belated happy Birthday Arno 09:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Arno - and happy new year to you too. :) -- mav

[edit] Election

Hey Mav: What's up? A couple days ago was Three Wise Men day in Latin America, sort of like a second Christmas day for us1 hehe It was good for me. And my two nieces got a lot of presents!

Well I just wanted to let you know Im in here as a candidate.

Well thanks , and God bless you!

Your friend always, Antonio Cargo Magazine Mertin

Cool - thanks for the note. I will make sure to vote for you. :) --mav
Thanks, Mav. It makes me feel great that you trust me in a position like the one we are running for.

God bless, man!

Sincerely yours, your friend, Antonio 1 on 1 Martin

[edit] Personal appeal header on every page

I've been told that you are responsible for the personal appeal header on every page, so I'm posting this here. Doesn't letting that notice stay after the end of the official fund drive take away much of the point of having a time-limited fund drive? I can put up with that notice during the official fund drives, but having it there all the time detracts from the useability of Wikipedia - especially on small screens. It also seems dishonest to say that the fund drive will last until a set date, and then letting it continue after that, calling it a "personal appeal", when putting it on every page makes it quite clearly official. Amaurea 10:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

All fund drives are followed by a thank you note to donors and a link to our CafePress shop. Most of the message will go away in about 10 hours and be replaced by a single right justified personal appeal note from Jimmy Wales. His appeal is still ongoing but the drive is officially over. -- mav


Which part of "Note: 'This fund drive will be held from Friday 16 December 2005 to Friday 6 January 2006" doesn't apply?

That is not part of the fund drive. It is part of an effort to increase donations between fund drives. We badly need that. --mav
Then how about linking to a page that claims that? One that claims the fund drive ended 4 days ago does not seem logical. Also which board meeting decided this and what is wrong with reordering the side bar? While we are about it who's life do I have to make difficult in order to stop wikipedia subsidiseing cafepress?Geni 03:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Good point on the first part. Fixed. Second part; was talked about in a great many places, just ask any one, third part; well, if you have a better idea, then I'm all ears. :) --mav
A "great many places" has not included any of my regular stamping grounds. You say it is board backed so which board meeting was it decided at? As for the third part I'd need to know what products are popular (ie is just t-shirts are is it the other stuff as well).Geni 03:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Mostly the internal mailing list via unanimous consent ; no vote was taken. Just ask Ant or Ang. T-shirts, mugs, and mouse pads are top sellers. --mav
So no formalised board descision. Tell me when you get one will you?Geni 09:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Puerto Rico

Hola Mav. How's it going? I wanted to invite you to become a member of the new project about my pais. If you want to, just click there and list your name where it has the list of writers on the project. As you can see, the page is poorly formatted. I don't know how to build a country-box, but we'll work on it :) It would be a great honor to have you helping us as a member.

I hope I can see your name there soon! Thanks and God bless you!

Your wikifriend, Antonio Beautiful One Martin

[edit] cyberpong

Are you free to chat this evening? I was roped into TA'ing a cyberlaw class and am recovering from a heavy dose thereof... Sj 19:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Not really - I'm leaving for the airport right after work and don't know if my hotel in St Pete has a net connection. --mav
Ahh, right... Safe arrivals! And have a great weekend. +sj + 03:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just to let you know

I'm moving a couple of your images from "orphaned" to "domiciled" :-) Tomertalk 10:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation needed

Hey Mav!: My dear ol' trusted Mav I should call you on this one.

I need to ask if you could please do me a favor: since I still don't know how to create disambiguation pages (and wouldn't want to mess the original one anyways) I was wondering if you could make a Parchis disambiguation page: you see, there is Parchis, the game, and Parchis, the famed musical group.

Thanks for everything and God bless you1 Don't forget to vote for me (*wink*). Im out to the lounge for a pool game hehe.

Sincerely yours, Your amigo, Antonio Parchis Member Martin

[edit] TFD: Linkimage

Hi there, you voted to link the image Image:Autofellatio 2.jpg at autofellatio rather than provide it inline. The template used to make the link is now up for deletion, please see Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Linkimage... Mikkerpikker 15:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles For Deletion

Hi, a while ago you made some comments about the presence of bible-verse articles, and/or source texts of the bible, and you may therefore be interested in related new discussions:

--Victim of signature fascism | Don't forget to vote in the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee elections 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neighbor

Hey Mav, thanks for saying hi again. We had exchanged a couple of messages about you moving to Midtown before. I also just recently stumbled across your profile on actforlove.org as I was checking that site out. We should meet for coffee or a drink sometime. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 07:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah - That would be cool. I'd like to eventually form a group of Wikipedians in the area who would go places together to take photos and research local topics in order to write about them. - mav
I collaborated with Uberpenguin on a something like that - he had written the article for Oakland Cemetery and needed images, which I then went out and shot one afternoon. He is (was?) a GaTech student; haven't chatted with him lately, but he if he's still in school he probably lives pretty close. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 20:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fundraising figures

Mav, I've updated the fundraising figures I posted before, to include the last few weeks of data. Also, as you suggested, I put up some info about the distribution of contribution sizes. I can readily run additional analysis. What are the things we need to know in order to perfect the design of future fundraising drives? How can we find out the necessary information? Tobacman 23:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history: Coordinator elections

WikiProject Military history The Military history WikiProject is currently holding elections for project coordinators. Any member of the project may nominate themselves and all are encouraged to vote here.
The elections will run until February 5.

--Loopy e 04:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for welcoming me

I was just being nostalgic over my Wikipedia history and saw that you were the first to ever write anything on my talk page, and what you did write was a nice little custom welcome message. That was over three years ago. Anyway, thanks for welcoming me. I'm glad that you're still around! --Cyde Weys 05:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

NP :) --mav

[edit] User:Maveric149/images/screenshots

Hi, could you please turn this fair use "gallery page" into a list or links to the images (or whatever) as soon as possible. We are not allowed to display fair use images in userspace (see Wikipedia:Fair use#Fair use policy), and acording to this list there are 30 of them on that page. I'm working more or less at random off that list, so don't feel singled out, eventualy I plan to get around to all of them (though hopefully I'm not the only one doing this). Thanks. --Sherool (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I forgot all about that page. Deleted. -- mav

[edit] WP:RFR

Since you had a good idea to modify the proposal and make it less bureaucratic (and several users agreed with your idea), would you mind helping in the discussion to give rollback privileges to other users at Wikipedia talk:Requests for rollback privileges? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Cascade volcano box

I see you've done work on a number of the Cascade volcano articles. I've got a test box for the bottom of all the Cascade volcano pages at User:Gwimpey/Cascade volcanoes. Let me know what you think. Gwimpey 03:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. :) --mav

[edit] Hello

Looking back to talk archives, I noticed that you were the person that welcomed me. Just calling back to see how you're doing after 3 years :) — Ilyanep (Talk) 15:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Doing well, thanks :) --mav

[edit] Gettysburg Address

Hi, Maveric. Why is Gettysburg Address semi-protected? The vandalism isn't so rampant that it can't be handled; it looks like there's a few instances of vandalism per hour, all handled quickly because this article is only a lot of users' watchlists. The article is also linked from the Main Page, and generally those pages are not supposed to be semi-protected without discussion and consensus. Could I ask you to please unprotect? Thanks. —Cleared as filed. 22:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Since when has 20 reverts of vandalism in less than one day been acceptable? We must ask ourselves if having the page unprotected against anon and new user edits is worth all the work reverting and all the readers who will be subjected to the vandalism. Having vandalism even a couple minutes on such a high profile and linked page is not acceptable. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not as a social experiment on community development. I also responded to a request for protection by another user. See the talk page. --mav
Twenty reverts of vandalism for the Main Page featured article is par for the course. If you read the policy at Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, it specifically says that "this includes the day's Featured Article which should almost never be protected." We expect articles linked from the Main Page to receive more vandalism than usual, because so many people hit them from the Main Page. I'm not interested in a social experiment on community development, but I am interested in not overreacting and protecting pages that don't need it. —Cleared as filed. 22:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Don't need it? That page keeps on getting hit by anons and new users. VERY little by way of improvement has been done by anons and new users to that page since it was put on the Main Page. The overwhelming effect from them has been negative. Thust they should be locked out. --mav
Hey Mav, I thought I'd let you know that I've unprotected the article. Unless facing a serious bot attack, FAs on the main page should not be semi-protected; see User:Raul654/protection. I've also left a message on the talk page. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
A serious bot attack is the bar we have for protection now? Have we lost our minds? We need to instead look at the pros vs the cons of soft protecting the page. It is VERY obvious to me that anons and new users were having a HUGELY negative net effect on the edit history and very little of what they did to the article was helpful. Thus protecting is the best action. But I will not wheel war over this. --mav
And I won't either. :-) I've responded at WP:AN as well; again, take a look at User:Raul654/protection. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category vote

You may wish to voice any concerns on a category vote involving protected areas here:[1].--MONGO 04:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gold Standard

I've noticed that the Gold Standard article has become unwieldy, repeats itself, is disjointed, has strong POV one way and another from section to section, is rambling, is poorly referenced, etc... pretty much every problem that can imagined except edit wars. The whole page is in need of a breakdown and rewrite, and others have mentioned this on the talk page.

I would like to start on this, but I feel that without a concerted effort by all who edit the page, it will remain out of hand. Is there a flag that could be added to this page before it is crushed under its own weight?

Octothorn 13:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of the Day

POTD
POTD

Hi Mav,

Just to let you know that your photo Image:Zabriskie Point at sunrise in Death Valley NP.JPG is due to make a reappearance as Picture of the Day on the 22nd February. I've reused the same caption as last time, but you can make any changes at Wikipedia:Picture of the day/February 22, 2006.

This is such a nice pic, I had to enthuse on your Talk page. (Good to see you back from your mini-break!). -- hike395 16:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - It took some time, but I think I just might have figured out how to manage a full time job, my CFO role in the foundation, and editing Wikipedia all at once. :) --mav

[edit] Glacier retreat

Amazing how just a little edit can make a big difference...combining the history into the intro was an excellent idea...thanks.--MONGO 03:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

NP :) --mav

[edit] Sun

Hey, mav, a lot of little edits have happened on Sun to address people's concerns. Yours are among them. Are you happy with the current state? If so, maybe you'd be willing to update your comments on the nomination page. Cheers, zowie 23:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Great work! I changed my vote to a full support. :) -- mav

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Art competitions at the Olympic Games

Ahoy, Mav! I am unnoficially in charge of WP:FARC and WP:FFA. You are correct that it is about quality of references, not quantity, and I will not defeature the article based on that. However, as you seem to be familiar with the material and its references, would adding inline citations be feasible? They would greatly improve the article and keep it completely in line with the criteria. (I would ask User:Jeronimo, who seems to have largely written the page, but he's been gone for a while.) Thanks for your time, and thanks for the work you do for the Foundation! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geology of Antarctica

As requested by yourself, I have done my best to write a decent geology section for the Antarctica article. I felt that the article was a beautiful piece of work, but I also completely agreed with your objection. Rather than object, I simply wrote something to meet the need. However, I'm a chemist rather than a geologist, and I'd really appreciate it if you could read over my efforts at translating into plain English things like "the structural grain, defined by fold-axis trends, has been disrupted by large-scale block-faulting." Hopefully you can accept this article as an FA now? Please let me know if it's OK. Cheers, Walkerma 03:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Objection removed. Nice work. I'll dig up my geology textbooks to see if I can add more and thus be able to support. --mav
Thanks. Incidentally, Antarctica is already an FA - I did the work afterwards (no time before), to ensure that your objections were met before they were forgotten. We were working on it as part of the core topics COTF. Walkerma 16:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lb-donations

Hi, at the lb-wiki we need your assistance with respect to a small but nevertheless annoying typo at the donations page. As we do not have a login to edit the relevant page (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/En_Don_maachen/EUR/eemoleg) ourselves, I shall be very grateful if you could change "en ogesécherte Formulaire" into "e séchere Formulaire" (in the present version it is unclear whether the form is unsafe or safe). Thank you in advance! --Otets 01:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. --mav

Thank you a lot! --Otets 10:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On this Day holiday listings

Mav,

Is there a way we can add Norouz to the list of holidays for March 21st to appear on the main page?

I'm surprised it isnt listed there.

Norouz is the traditional new year holiday in Iran, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, parts of India, and among the Kurds. It is also a holiday in Turkey and some Central Asian countries.

I'll be waiting for your reply.--Zereshk 21:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Already on Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/March 20. -- mav
Thanx.--Zereshk 22:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images listed for deletion

Many images or media files that you uploaded, have been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in them not being deleted. Thank you.

Weatherman90 01:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Good referencing practice?

After reading your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/AIDS, I wonder if my recent adoption of ref name="" type of referenes is good. This is a style I've usen in my most recent FA (Katyn massacre). Would you do it differently? If so, how?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd just keep the inline ref text to a minimum and have all the detail in a ===Works cited=== subsection of ==References==. As is, the wikitext of that article is a bit hard to read and thus edit. --mav

[edit] Bot

(the bot is having problems with a db server acting up, sorry about this message) -- Tawker 22:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

No harm done. I'm glad to see you are monitoring the bot instead of just letting it run loose. --mav

[edit] Geology of the Capitol Reef area

Forgot to mention it on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Geology of the Capitol Reef area, so I'll bring it here: some of your citations have spaces before the bracketed numbers, others do not. Cheers, and good luck with the FAC, --BillC 10:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter
Issue I - March 2006
Project news
From the Coordinators

Welcome to the inaugural issue of the Military history WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this new format will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new groups and programs within the project that they may wish to participate in.

Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome, and will help us improve the newsletter in the coming months.

Kirill Lokshin, Lead Coordinator
Current proposals
  • Proposed guidelines for categories of military people are currently being discussed. A number of issues have already been resolved, but the proposed scheme is still in draft form and further input would be very welcome.

delivered by Loopy e 05:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi Maveric,

My name is Fernanda Viégas and I have been studying Wikipedia for a while now--you can see a paper I published on the subject here (I acutally remember your name from the study I did back in 2003). I would like to ask you a few questions about your activities as a Wikipedia "photographer." I am fascinated by the pictorial side of Wikipedia and it would be great to hear about this community from one of its most active members. Would you be available for an email interview? Thanks, — Fernanda 00:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | talk

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for helping to keep a lid on the April Fools crap. Last year was a complete mess. Hopefully next year we can come up with even more odd but true things to showcase on the Main Page. --mav 01:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Likewise, thanks very much for intervening. It's unfortunate that some sysops refuse to behave responsibly until warned by a steward, but if that's what it takes, so be it. —David Levy 01:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baldassare Castiglione

I was in the process of researching Baldassare Castiglione, when I realized that the article was uncited. I checked the history, and other than being plagued by vandals, the article was prodominantly written by anons. However, while investigating the actual serious edits, your name came quite often. I know this was a little while back, but do have any references that can be added? I'd greatly apprecitate it.--Clyde Miller 17:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Nothing citable. Class notes from one of my humanities classes. --mav
Ok thanks. I'll find some external links, which are close enough.--Clyde Miller 23:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

I am conducting a survey on Wikipedia and would like to invite you to participate in the study. I've posted a message on wikien-l, but here is the link again in case you are not subscribed to that list-serv. Thanks a lot for your time! --Mermes 01:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] help? edit war at kriging & geostatistics

Hi, mav.. I know you're really busy with general WP duties & your 60 hour job. :-(. So, feel free to ignore this if you are too busy or stressed.

I seem to be in the midst of an edit war with User:JanWMerks at kriging and geostatistics. Dr. Merks has his own web site that condemns geostatistics [2] as a scientific fraud.

Given that Dr. Merks is a newcomer, I've been trying to point him to Wikipedia:NPOV, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Verifiability. I'm not sure how much this is helping.

If you'd like to lend a cool viewpoint on the whole dispute, that would be wonderful. Or, given that you've been on the ArbCom, you may be tired of such things: I've also asked User:Antandrus to try to help out, so that may be enough.

Thanks! -- hike395 22:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! I don't know if we've reached a conclusion, but at least there is some sort of truce. If you're curious, see User talk:JanWMerks#Gridlocked. Thanks again! -- hike395 12:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:-TableImage.svg

The above image, and possibly all of its derivatives, need a bit of updating: Elements hypothesized but that have not yet been successfully created and isolated have a lighter hue than those that have been confirmed. However, we now have confirmed all but elements 117 and 118, and the color scheme doesn't quite reflect that. Seeing as you created the image, do you think you could take care of that issue? Thanks.--HereToHelp 21:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automated Selected Anniversaries on Main Page

Hi Maveric149, I understand that you automated the Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries which appear on the Main Page since 26 February 2004. Your time-saving innovation is indeed impressive.

I am presently very active in Wikipedia bahasa Melayu, and I would like to implement your innovation in the said portal. Would you be willing to help? You can reach me either in this portal or at PM Poon. Either positive or negative, I would be glad to hear from you as you have put in a lot of effort and you reserve the right to determine who can use it. — PM Poon 10:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Maveric149, thank you for your innovation and your lesson in self-help, LOL. In any case, your reply is no longer required as the feature is now up-and-running in Wikipedia bahasa Melayu. Thank you once again. — PM Poon 18:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTAFOR LET? 19:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II

The April 2006 issue of the project newsletter is now out. You may read this issue or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following the link. Thanks. Kirill Lokshin 18:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Gödel

Just wondering if you could give me your opinion on this:


[edit] An Outline of Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem and its Proof

(From Rucker, Infinity and the Mind .)., .....


  1. Someone introduces Gödel to a UTM, a machine that is supposed to be a Universal Truth Machine, capable of correctly answering any question at all.
  2. Gödel asks for the program and the circuit design of the UTM. The program may be complicated, but it can only be finitely long. Call the program P(UTM) for Program of the Universal Truth Machine.
  3. Smiling a little, Gödel writes out the following sentence: "The machine constructed on the basis of the program P(UTM) will never say that this sentence is true." Call this sentence G for Gödel. Note that G is equivalent to: "UTM will never say G is true."
  4. Now Gödel laughs his high laugh and asks UTM whether G is true or not.
  5. If UTM says G is true, then "UTM will never say G is true" is false. If "UTM will never say G is true" is false, then G is false (since G = "UTM will never say G is true"). So if UTM says G is true, then G is in fact false, and UTM has made a false statement. So UTM will never say that G is true, since UTM makes only true statements.
  6. We have established that UTM will never say G is true. So "UTM will never say G is true" is in fact a true statement. So G is true (since G = "UTM will never say G is true").
  7. "I know a truth that UTM can never utter," Gödel says. "I know that G is true. UTM is not truly universal."


With his great mathematical and logical genius, Gödel was able to find a way (for any given P(UTM)) actually to write down a complicated polynomial equation that has a solution if and only if G is true. So G is not at all some vague or non-mathematical sentence. G is a specific mathematical problem that we know the answer to, even though UTM does not! So UTM does not, and cannot, embody a best and final theory of mathematics ...

Although this theorem can be stated and proved in a rigorously mathematical way, what it seems to say is that rational thought can never penetrate to the final ultimate truth ... But, paradoxically, to understand Gödel's proof is to find a sort of liberation. For many logic students, the final breakthrough to full understanding of the Incompleteness Theorem is practically a conversion experience. This is partly a by-product of the potent mystique Gödel's name carries. But, more profoundly, to understand the essentially labyrinthine nature of the castle is, somehow, to be free of it.

[edit] The Incompleteness of Gödel‘s Incompleteness Theorem

The problem with the above construct is that finite time is discrete and effect must follow cause. If G may be either true or false then what is to stop G from being true at one point in time and false at another point in time? Consequently if we ask the UTM whether G is true or false and the UTM says that G is false and G becomes as the result true then the error we have made is in applying the outdated answer to the resulting state of G rather than laboring to ask the question again. If we ask the question again then the UTM will answer that G is true and G will once again change states and become false. The above construct simply points out the discretion of time and that effect follows cause. If we are going to expect a universal answer from a universal truth machine then we must provide it with a universal rather than a discrete question. The result of this understanding is in fact the principle behind the bistable multivibrator or flip-flop. (Computer Circuits for Experimenters by Forest M. Mims, III, Radio Shack, a Tandy Corporation, 1974, Page 17.)

What a UTM would most likely say to such a discrete question is that G will be true until UTM answers the question that G is true at which time G will become false and vice versa.

-- PCE 22:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

You are invited to participate in Saints WikiProject, a project dedicated to developing and improving articles about saints. We are currently discussing prospects for the project. Your input would be greatly appreciated!


Thanks! --evrik 20:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holidays on MainPage

Hello, Mav. Did you see what User:Shinjiman put on the Sel. Anniv. templates in May to conditionally display Mother's Day ? Not perfect, too complicated for me to understand, but quite interesting and potentially very useful. Thought I should let you know. Cheers. -- PFHLai 16:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder about Wikipedia official policy

You wrote: "Our goal is NOT AT ALL to be a welcoming community" and criticized my effort to do so as a "bizarre form of niceness." I would ask you to read the official policy Wikipedia:Civility, which advises users that being welcoming encourages others to positively contribute to Wikipedia. I am certainly not asking you to subscribe to Wikipedia:WikiLove -- that is clearly optional and does not suit everyone's temperament; I've certainly strayed from it myself. I am simply asking that you consider that we help improve the material on the encyclopedia when we act in a manner that does not cause people with useful knowledge and research skills to feel alienated or unwanted. Thank you, --M@rēino 23:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

THAT Wikipedia is an encyclopedia is an original premise of the whole project and ALL other policies stem from that. If that fact hurts your feelings, then maybe you should reconsider why you are here. --mav
Look, just from reading through your talk page I can see that you are the one who welcomed Cyde and Ilyanep, and even though Cyde and I have had our disagreements, they are both valuable members of the Wikipedia project. What if you had turned them away because you didn't think that Wikipedia was supposed to be a welcoming community? We wouldn't have all the edits that they've made to articles over the past three years. None of us can build an encyclopedia all by ourselves.--M@rēino 13:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
'Build an encyclopedia' being the operative words. --mav

[edit] Canada references

Please discuss changes before changing the format. There has already been discussion, and the manual of style is a guideline, not a policy. I will be reverting, until a thorough discussion has been made. -- Jeff3000 14:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Show me the policy page. I've seen the Manual of Style page Wikipedia:Subpages, and that is just a guideline. -- Jeff3000 14:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Just because something is a guideline, does not mean it can be ignored. -- mav
We are not ignorning it. Consultation was done with the MOS guidance in perspective, and decided that in this specific case, it was best not to follow it. If you disagree, in this specific case, bring it up in a discussion on the talk page. That is how things are done. -- Jeff3000 14:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Is is already a decided issue. I've been around here since Wikipedia's first year and actually do remember subpages and know the reasoning why they were taken out of the article namespace. --mav
So then show me the decision in the policy page. There is a reason why the Manual of Style is a guideline because it's doesn't always work. -- Jeff3000 14:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
You have violoted the 3RR. See you in 24 hours. --mav
Have not, you should know what 3RR means, it means 4 reverts. I'm allowed three reverts. -- Jeff3000 14:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad that you are now following general wikipedia etiquette by giving me the warning. -- Jeff3000 15:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
No problem. :) --mav

Thanks for the note -- Jeff3000 16:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Being Careful" about copyright violations

I was careful. That's why I listed the page as a potential copyvio rather than simply deleting it. Kind regards, Nandesuka 15:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It took me 3 minutes to figure out that it was not a copyvio by us but by the other website. Please spend more time researching these things before you place a perfectly good article in a line to deletion. --mav

[edit] FDR

I've tried to address your concerns on the FDR featured article candidate discussion; I'd appreciate it if you would revisit. I (still) share some of the concerns about length, and would try to work on additional ideas. Sam 23:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm the victim of a bot attack - can you help me recover?

IMHO 16:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - May 2006

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[edit] Edward VI

Good work! Nice to have more images and more coherent text. Haukur 19:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, :) --mav

[edit] Possible libel at John Magee (bishop)

Hi Mav

Sorry to bother you with this but I thought I should point it out to someone and only your name came to mind. I was rather concerned about a possibly libellous paragraph in John Magee (bishop) which I have now removed. I know nothing about this gentleman nor do I hold a brief for him but I do know that the para I removed was asking for trouble unless ferociously well supported by documentation.

Please feel free to do with this whatever will best benefit wikipedia in terms of avoiding possible legal risk etc.

Best wishes

an ex-user 82.45.248.177 01:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King Ed

Done for now - refactor away! (Moved - sorry, put this on User page; looking forward to seeing your edits) Sam 15:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

NP :) I'm done for now as well. --mav

[edit] Thanks for updating prose size of Hugo Chávez

Sounds like a great trip! I wanted to thank you for saving me a lot of work this morning. New to Wiki, I planned to learn today how to check prose size. Just wanted to say thanks for your attention to and timely update of Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Hugo Chávez. (I should still learn how to check it myself: if you catch up from vacation and can find time to point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.) Sandy 14:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ! I was afraid that would be the answer :-) Someone should write some code that does that. Thanks, again! Sandy 18:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice little mention...

Nice little mention in Fortune Magazine. Pretty bigtime. Just thought I'd say something. Cheers. --You Know Who (Dark Mark) 21:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it says 12 June, but I don't tend to read the actual hard copy. ;-) See ya. --You Know Who (Dark Mark) 17:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tool for finding prose size?

Hi Mav - you've commented in the past on FACs about the size of prose vs. the article size with refs and such. Would you happen to know of a tool for finding just the prose size? :) - thanks! RN 16:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)