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Luis Boa Morte & West Ham squad template

I note your comments re squad numbers on the above articles. The number 22 was added by User 212.100.108.192 on 5 January and I accepted this at face value and replicated it in the West Ham squad template. In future I will check with the club website before amending squad numbers in future. My apologies Daemonic Kangaroo 15:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• There does seem a dreadful panic to get "news" onto Wikipedia as fast as possible. It's almost as if there's a prize for the first person to report a transfer. The Boa Morte transfer was reported as fact well before it had been confirmed officially. This sort of rush does result in sloppy checking of facts. My experience is now telling me to wait a few days until after an "event" and then calmly review and correct the article if required. I wish more effort was put in to filling the huge void in Wikipedia with regard to former players rather than this desparate desire to make it "immediate".

Hey Ho - I've been at work all day, and am getting bored! I see Southampton are leading Torquay 1-0. I think I'll go home now and listen to the last half hour on the radio. I'll catch up with you soon. Best wishes Daemonic Kangaroo 16:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Rowan Vine

Has he not signed for Birmingham then? Honestly, I will be a bit pleased if he hasn't? :) Bubba HoTep 12:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits made during January 13, 2007 (UTC) to User_talk:217.42.50.4

With regards to your comments on User_talk:217.42.50.4: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. _→AzaToth 17:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I am going to query the placing of this vandalism template on AzaToth's talk page. Bubba hotep 00:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm not. Having seen your original message to the IP, I am inclined to agree with AzaToth about the personal attack. However, I still don't agree with putting the common vandalism templates on established users talk pages. You should know better by now, no matter how much the provocation. Bubba hotep 00:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Donaldson

Apologies for the lateness in replying, the information was found here it had previously been stated by the club's board, and apparently printed in a newspaper. - Deathrocker 04:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Play-off appearances

Hi Matt. Seeing as you update Watford player infoboxes a fair bit I thought I might bring up an odd discrepancy I've seen in Soccerbase's stats (presuming that's what you're using). For some reason they catergorise play-off appearances as "other" and not league games. However, the Football League regards them as league games so I think we should refer to the higher power. Thus there's a number of Watford players who might appear to have a couple of too many appearances, but that's just their play-off games. I'm not sure if it's the case for Leeds players, Palace players or Preston players, or even players from other league play-off games and from other seasons. Unfortunately I suspect it might be! Cheers, HornetMike 22:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Billy Russell

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AfD Nomination: Danny Graham

An article that you have been involved in editing, Danny Graham, has been listed by me at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danny Graham. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --Jerry lavoie 05:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Jerry lavoie 05:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Lucas Neill

main reason for my edit was this. Chensiyuan 12:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Francisco Merida Perez

This was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gavin Hoyte. NawlinWiki 21:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Norwich City edits

I noticed you've been making a number of edits to Norwich City-related articles and just wanted to drop you a line to say thank you. --Dweller 22:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Pointless Edits

Please can you stop making pointless edits. You have edited many a Lincoln City-related page to a point of pettyness. --Anonymous User

Can I reiterate this? For example:

• • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Duberry&curid=3482690&diff=109899095&oldid=105757321
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greg_Halford&curid=3539636&diff=109899033&oldid=109285232

What is the point in making those edits? It doesn't affect the display of the article, and lowers the readability when editing. Not to mention clogging up my watchlist!  ;-) robwingfield ^«T•C» 22:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, those big gaps at the bottom of Reading players (about two lines of nothingness between squad templates and stubs) annoys me so I remove it. -- Mattythewhite 07:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Then could you perhaps wait until you have a meaningful edit to make and remove them then? There's no WP policy on such things... it annoys me when there's no gap, but it's something we just have to live with, that people are different! robwingfield ^«T•C» 10:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Warning

This is a warning, please do not make pointless edits to wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing for distruption. 1B6 13:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• The two comments above mine are a good start. 1B6 13:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Ok, I made a mistake, The one directly above mine then, and please, watch your civility. 1B6 14:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Apology accepted, I am an RC patroller, It popped up with an edit that you made today, I investigated, and found that you had made no illigitimate edits on that part. However, I did find that you have made some unnecessary edits recently, so I will rephrase that message, and apoligise on my part. 1B6 14:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• I only typed the last message like that, because there was a large influx of anon vandals. Messages like that were on my mind. 1B6 14:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Player statistics

You record all the professional player career stats: apps, goals, leagues, FA cup, league cup, european football. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Player_statistics. This should be default, I don't know why it hasn't been posted on the Project page, this is how the FA release records have been doing it. Wiki should follow the same. Govvy 16:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

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Player stats

Hi Matty - could you be careful when you edit stats and say "correcting"? I've noticed you've done this a few times, and I've had to "correct" the stats back, e.g. Steve Sidwell today. Thanks. robwingfield ^«T•C» 18:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

nitelink Rovers

do not wish to be offended by this but i feel i must defend myself. Nitelink Rovers is a football team affiliated with a youth club in Dublin Ireland. I am responsible for this youth club and run it along with other adults. The mentioned "coach" is another leader in the youth club who has qualifications from the FAI(football association of Ireland). We are an amateur youth club and the international youth club cup is what the group of teams refer to the tournament as. Our youth club is affiliated with the E.C.Y.D. and regnum Christi (see legionaires of Christ) who have a boarding school in Wicklow, Ireland known as Dublin Oak. The other teams are all teams of E.C.Y.D. Members from clubs in the country. The children in the youth club all use Wikipedia as a resource for their school work and asked that they could have themselves on the site. This article may not be of significant use to other members of the site but the children really enjoy being able to see themselves on the internet. As a user of Wikipedia for many years I am upset that other users are saying that i should be blocked as i have put nothing untruthful in any of the articles I have written. The only part of any article that could be deemed untrue is the inclusion of Eugene O'Connor and "Zippo" Nolan. These are two fathers who have done alot of work installing toilets and doing building work on the club and as a gesture of goodwill the children asked them to be included.

I would like to hear from people regarding this issue as i feel it is highly unfair what is being said of myself and these articles.

Gizmo10, aka. Aidan Dunne

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Clayton Donaldson GA status on hold

I have placed Clayton Donaldson on hold. See the article's talk page for comments. - Shudda ^talk 01:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments on talk page. - Shudda ^talk 19:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyright issue with Sonny Pike

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Neal Bishop

New page. Candidate for tidy up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Bishop —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Me677 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

Conference National teamlist

Thanks for you message. Your first point is that the Premier League uses a different layout. Off the top of my head, about fifty other leagues used the layout I implemented, so the Premier League and Football League in a minority. The current version can be merged with teams boxes just fine:

I did have to do a minor bug fix though (Thiscame about because {{Football in England table cells}} got changed subtley when standardistation first came in).... which will get rolled out across other league teamlists templates within the next ten minutes. Tompw (talk) 17:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:2006-07 Football Leagues

Hi I've started a discussion regarding this template you contributed to here.[1] Georgeg 21:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

ITFC

You've made occasional edits to the Ipswich Town F.C. article. A look at its history suggests that you're one of not very many, other than IPs. Please note that User:The Rambling Man and I are doing a large piece of work there, to take the article to FA. Your assistance would be warmly welcomed. --Dweller 17:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Your uploads

I'm looking through your images that you've uploaded, and a nice chunk of them i'm finding to be copyright violations, as you have tagged them with a gdfl tag even though they are not free images. Keep in mind that if you find a pic on a website, it's probably not right to upload it here. Especially do not add free use tags on those pictures when you didn't take them. Add a fair use tag is you must upload it instead (though it may or may not be deleted). Keep this in mind for the future.--Wizardman 16:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing flags

I've gone to a couple pages, and I notice that you keep removing flags from the team names in the player's info boxes. I'd like to know why you're doing that. Che84 03:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Football AID 25 March - 1 April

Thank you for participating in the Football AID vote this week.

Wembley Stadium has been selected as this week's collaboration. Please do help in working to improve it.

Hi Matty, don't know how to respond to your query about Clayton Donaldson through wikipedia so this is by best effort. I am a Harrogate Town supporter and attend most of the games. I have records of Donaldson's appearances and goals in all the programmes from the past seasons so his complete league record for Harrogate Town during his 2 loan spells is:

2002-2003 : 6 appearances and 2 goals

2004-2005 : 13 appearances and 4 goals

best BenBobRob

Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Regarding notability of Football (soccer) players

Hi, seeing you have been involved in previous Afd debates I invite you to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! StephP 17:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Neil Warnock playing career link to soccerbase

Hi, Matty. Had you realised that the Soccerbase page detailing Neil's playing career shows absolute zeros in every column, and no drop-down choices for years played? I just thought that it provides a piece of non-information, that's all, if you see what I mean! As you know, Neil retired from playing in 1979, and Soccerbase does not actually give stats for him for any years prior to that, as far as I'm aware. I've no beef about this, just thought I mention. Best wishes. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 17:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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Cheers. --kingboyk 12:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Nigel Worthington

Why do you persist on removing the "caretaker manager" quote from www.lcfc.co.uk? Check the official site and it quotes Mandaric as appointing him caretaker manager. Please correct this otherwise I shall report you to a moderator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.97.39.70 (talk) 12:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Current Season

The link to [[2]] has vanished.

On YCFC

Reply

Why shouldn't they? When every non-crap article on a football team has examples of notable players who have turned out for the club, such as Juventus F.C., Real Madrid, A.C. Milan, FC Barcelona, etc.

Also there is no official policy, saying that only players who have played 100 games are notable. That isn't how football works. Marco Gabbiadini is viewed as more notable, by fans and media alike at the club, than say Richard Cooper (footballer) who has made 100+ appearences. - Daddy Kindsoul 20:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Players who have made a lasting mark at the club, or are generally notable in the wider scheme of football. For example, Jonathan Greening only played for the club 26 times, but he holds the transfer record at the club and went on to play for Manchester United, etc. I'd say that is far better example of a notable player than Dave Merris for example. - Daddy Kindsoul 20:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

York City peer review

Hey, I may have missed the boat, but I thought I'd let you know I've added a bunch of (hopefully useful) comments here. Hope they help, let me know if I can help you out with anything. The Rambling Man 16:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, glad to be of help. Yes, I think removing most, if not all, unofficial supporter sites is a good approach. I've just had Ipswich Town F.C. promoted to FA so have a look at that - basically you should aim for the official site, probably the BBC link and maybe one supporter club website that doesn't violate WP:EL i.e. a site without loads of advertising, logins etc... Hope that helps, let me know if I can help more... The Rambling Man 19:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Manchester United managers template

I have some slight reservations about the Man Utd managers template. Thinking ahead, just imagine, for example, how cluttered the Ron Atkinson article would look with the (future) templates WBA managers, Man Utd managers, Villa managers, Cov managers, Sheff Wed managers, Forest managers... I guess I'm jumping the gun a little, but templates do tend to get copied. Just a thought. Good work on the articles by the way, Clayton Donaldson particularly impressive. --Jameboy 19:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review

As a footie specialist, can I ask you to contribute to Wikipedia:Peer review/Italian football champions --Dweller 13:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

YCFC Managers

Hey, thanks for your question - I would prefer to see the managers within the article (as is the way with most, if not all of the current FA football team articles). The list of managers isn't that big, it could be split into two columns if necessary. But that's just my personal opinion! The Rambling Man 10:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and can you cast a glance at Italian football champions which is now listed under featured list candidates here. I'd appreciate your support/comments etc if you have a moment! Cheers. The Rambling Man 10:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and can you cast another glance, this time at Norwich City F.C. which is now listed under featured article candidates here. Again, all contributions much appreciated! Cheers... The Rambling Man 18:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support at the Italian football champs page. I'm a little too distracted at the moment to give you 100% on the YCFC article but I absolutely promise to give you my undivided attention before lunch tomorrow. I've scanned the article and think it well worthy of a shot at FAC, but I'll give you a more detailed response tomorrow, hope that's okay. All the best The Rambling Man 20:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation - Casey Stoney

Hi - it appears that the article you created on Casey Stoney is a blatant copyright violation from the page from the F.A. website. Please refrain from uploading copyrighted text as articles. - fchd 21:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

YCFC FAC

I'm going to copyedit it properly tomorrow, but rest assured I'll be giving you my support. I hope you don't mind my gnomish modifications, if you do object, of course, let me know. All that aside, I'll not rest until this article has been promoted, so if there's anything I can do in the course of it's nomination, don't hesitate to call on me. Best of luck The Rambling Man 21:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Quick word on repeating citations - firstly I think you repeat them a little too often here, for example, ref 3 is used every sentence in the kit paragraph. I'd be happy with just one at the end of the whole paragraph. Secondly, if you want to use the same reference again, you use the Cite web template once and use the <ref name=blah/> notation everywhere you want to re-use it. Let me know if you'd like me to help with these... The Rambling Man 11:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Last thing I think, inconsistent use of the en-dash. I've used the en-dash for scorelines in the Ipswich article - you start with hyphens and then, in the Records section, you end up with en-dashes. I'd go en-dash mad if I were you..! The Rambling Man 16:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

No, the semi-final hyphen is fine, I'd just recommend making all scorelines use en-dash. If you're desperate to fall asleep, try reading WP:DASH. Some people are VERY concerned with it...! I'll have a look at your image thing... The Rambling Man 16:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I've done what I believe necessary to ensure those images have a fair use rationale. I've also asked Pagrashtak to take a last look at it so hopefully we're on the right path right now...! The Rambling Man 16:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Good work. You've got my backing. Good luck with the rest of it. Should any other comments crop up that you need a hand with, let me know. The Rambling Man 17:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, just don't give up now, we'll get the article FA'd in due course! The Rambling Man 17:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

York City FAC

Hi. I appreciate all the hard work you're putting in at the FAC (been there...!). I'm sure you've noticed that my comments were all on one small chunk of the article. Please drop me a line when the article's had a thorough copyedit by someone fresh to it and I'll be happy to review my oppose. Cheers. --Dweller 15:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my continued objection, but the prose needs a lot of work still. --Dweller 15:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Generally beneficial, though the but about Nestle/Rowntree being a local employer would be better in the stadium section than the lead. That said, the lead could do with a little more. Perhaps mention that they are traditionally a lower division team, and the year they first gained admission to the league? Oldelpaso 21:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Brass and Busby

Hi, I took that pic of Brass and Busby on 2nd October 2004 after City beat Stevenage 3-1 at home. Cheers. Dashwortley 00:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Kit Kat Crescent & YCFC Pics

Hi, those two were taken on 2/10/04 and 6/2/05 respectively. Cheers. Dashwortley 18:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Player pics

Cheers. I've just put one on of Clayton Donaldson, (Clayton Don 07.jpg), not brilliant but i'm working on getting more of other players soon. (And hopefully we'll get to Wembley and my camera will be there too!). Dashwortley 19:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

York City

Hi, I think the article pretty much covers everything. Good work. I will say that I think Neil Bishop needs a page now after the fantastic season he's had. Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dashwortley (talk • contribs) 09:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

YCFC Copyedit

I've made a start on the copyedit, probably won't do much more today, but I'll try to continue tomorrow. If anyone asks, I've had a look at History, Crest & Colours, but no further, and I messed a bit with the lead. Hope you don't mind! The Rambling Man 19:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyedit looks good. Let me know when it's done. I'm dying to support this. So much effort's gone in. --Dweller 21:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

NB The "Support" section needs an overhaul. --Dweller 21:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

York City

I made a few changes/copy edits to the older history parts, which I hope you won't mind. It's a bit galling to realise that the time when I was watching York City regularly was almost 40 years ago! I still have a programme for the Barry Jackson Testimonial Match against Hull City, but can't now remember the score. Good luck with this. Johnlp 21:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I've also done a bit myself, leaving you some hidden comments, all in the Supporters section. --Dweller 09:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Matty. I'm going to change to Support. Thanks for bearing with my pedantry. I personally don't think the supporters' banners are really notable - imagine how many big banners have been held on The Kop - it'd fill an article on LFC. Perhaps cut and paste it to the subarticle on the stadium? Anyway, nice one. --Dweller 15:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Well done, and well persisted! Now get back to revising! The Rambling Man 15:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

A rule of thumb (mine, not Raul654's) seems to be a minimum of four supports, all other issues should be addressed somehow (even if it's just to say "respectfully I disagree"!) and then a few days with no more comments is generally enough to see FAC pass. I nominated the Norwich City article on 23rd, it was promted on 28th, Adam Gilchrist took 9 days, it varies. Still, you're on the right track so hold tight and keep checking the FA nomination - one day you may be privileged enough to add that bronze star to the article! Now go, get thee to your books...! The Rambling Man 16:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)