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Events

  • [1] Redirect without consensus is unacceptable October 9 - disruptive behavior
  • [2] PalaceGuard008 told to merge. October 9
  • [3]Wikistalking by Cyborg Nina
  • [4] [5]Answer from Village Pump (policy) on sourcing
  • Provided by good 'ol Ninja
  • Informal mediation [6]
  • Village Pump discussion 1, 2, and 3
  • Issues

PalaceGuard008 copied text and references from my DYK articles and rearranged them in Caisson (Asian architecture) to meet the needs of his article:

Issue One:

  • Para one

The Caisson (Chinese: 藻井; pinyin: zǎojǐng; literally "algae well"), also referred to as a ceiling caisson, caisson ceiling, or zaojing, in East Asian architecture is an archiectural feature typically found in the ceiling of temples and palaces, usually at the centre and directly above the main throne, seat, or religious figure. The caisson is generally a sunken panel set into the otherwise largely flat ceiling. It is often layered and richly decoracted. Common shapes include square, octagon, hexagon, circle, and a combination of these. [1]

My objections: The reference is to http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/features/architecture/zaojing.htm Here is the entire text of the People's Daily reference:

The Chinese name for the caisson ceiling, zaojing, means "aquatic plants" (zao) and "well" (jing). The two terms are relevant to water because there was constant worry about fire destroying the palace buildings. With water from the zaojing, the ancients believed the threat of fire would be averted.

Nothing else in the first paragraph does it reference, even though it looks like it does.

Issue Two

  • Para two:

The caisson is a general name for any sunken panel placed in the ceiling.[2] For other meanings, see Caisson. In the case of East Asian architecture, however, the caisson is characterised by highly developed conventions as to its structure and placement. It is known in Chinese as zaojing, a name which is a combination of zǎo (aquatic plants) and jǐng (well). [3]

Reverences: wiki dictionary link; The Oxford English Dictionary; book by Nancy Steinhardt

My objections:

  • The link to wiki dictionary definition does not define caisson as a ceiling or anything else relevant to this article. The rest of the para is referenced by a book that I used in an article. The paragragh: "In the case of East Asian architecture, however, the caisson is characterised by highly developed conventions as to its structure and placement. It is known in Chinese as zaojing, a name which is a combination of zǎo (aquatic plants) and jǐng (well)." is not in the reference cited in the footnote. The Steinhardt reference does say jing means "a well", that is the only part relevant to this paragraph. The People's Daily referenced discussed above would more correctly reflect the meaning of zao as described in this article.


Issue Three

  • Para three:

The caisson is a sunken panel placed in the centre of the ceiling. It is raised above the level of the ceiling through the use the dougong (斗栱) structure, which, through interlocking structural members, creates successive levels of diminishing size. Beams may also be used to create a hexagonal or octagonal caisson surrounded by a square border. These beams, and the dougong members, are usually visible, and richly carved and often painted. The zaojing resembles an intricately carved or painted dome, coffer or cupola.[4]

My objections:

  • The reference he cites at the end of the paragraph says nothing about the various ceiling shapes or borders except to say that this type of ceiling is also known as “spider web ceiling” because these ceilings resemble spider webs, and that Lungshan Temple has a zaojing with counterclockwise spiral structure. It does not mention dougong, does not mention rich carving or painting. It calls the zaojing a "type of domed structure" which suggests dome or coffer would be more descriptive than caisson which is not defined in an western books on architecture I have nor in other architectural sources I have looked through. Further, see Architectural glossary on Wikipedia.

Issue Four

  • Para Five:

Caissons were originally used to support skylights. However, they became increasingly intricate and formalised, and were in later periods a standard item of interior decoration in formal buildings.

My objections:

  • This statement is unsourced. According to my references it is not a correct statement for zaojing. Since PalaceGuard008's whole justification for copy pasting the articles I wrote for DYK into his and setting up a #REDIRECT from zaojing to Caisson (Asian architecture) was that zaojing and caisson have identical meanings, so this sentence should be removed.

Issue Five

  • Para Seven:

In traditional Chinese architecture, every facet of a building was decorated using various materials and techniques. Simple ceiling ornamentations in ordinary buildings were made of wooden strips and covered with paper. More decorative was the lattice ceiling, constructed of woven wooden strips or sorghum stems fastened to the beams. The most decorative and the most complex ceiling was the caisson. Because of the intricacy of its ornamentation, the caisson was reserved for the ceilings of the most important Chinese buildings such as imperial palaces and Buddhist temple altars.[3]

My objections:

  • The reference is again to a book I used. This reference does not discuss caissons. It mentions zaojing once in connection with the structure of each well-shaped panel with the central panel painted with water flower patterns, and calls it a coffer ceiling. Again, it is referencing a much older time period than the Forbidden City. In fact, the author wants to correct the impression that to Westerners, the single image of Chinese architecture is the Forbidden City. The purposed of her writing is to clarify this narrow conception and to bring together a common vocabulary to illuminate distinct Chinese forms and styles that so far has not occurred because, in her opinion, of the narrow focus on the Forbidden City.

Issue Six

  • para Eight:

The tomb of Empress Dowager Wenmind of the Northern Wei Dynasty has a caisson in the flat-topped, vaulted ceiling in the back chamber of her tomb.[5] The Baoguo Monastery in Yuyao in Zhejiang has three zaojing in the ceiling, making it unique among surviving examples of Song architecture. Sanquing Hall (Hall of the Three Purities) is the only Yuan period structure with three zaojing in its ceiling. [6] Zaojing are frequently found in Han Dynasty tombs.[1]

The references are to two authors I used. The last sentence is referenced by the Peoples Daily.

My objections: Neither of the books references mention either caisson or zaojing. In the first reference it does mention a simple barrel vault in the antechamber near a connective passage, but there were no adornments to it. On the second book reference, I must have been mistaken on the page numbers as the pages referenced do not mention "The Baoguo Monastery in Yuyao in Zhejiang" or "Sanquing Hall (Hall of the Three Purities)". (I have gone through this before trying to find that page reference and gave up.)

[edit] mens rea etc.

What is the difference between mens rea and specific intent? I am writing an article called Settled insanity and am getting confused. Thanks! --Mattisse 17:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

As mens rea says, is one of the two required elements that need to be proven in common law jurisductions to establish that a criminal offence has been committed. It is the mental element ("guilty mind") - the other required element is the "guilty act" (actus reus).
The level of mental volition required varies from crime to crime - it is often broken down into could be intention (i.e. intending to do something wrong - compare malice aforethought), knowledge (of what you are doing), recklessness (as to whether you are doing something wrong) and negligence (that is, breaching a duty of care - sometimes limited to gross negligence).
Specific intent is a special sort of mental element required for certain crimes in certain jurisductions (as opposed to a "basic intent"). Intent here just means the mens rea required for the crime in question - it does not necessarily mean intention (although that may be the level of the "specific intent" required).
"Specific intent" can also mean a specific intention (i.e. the intention to do something in particular); or an intention in addition to some other mental element; or a state of mind that can be negatived by voluntary intoxication (i.e. the fact that you are drunk can be taken into account in working out whether you have the necessary mens rea, as opposed to a "basic intent" that cannot be negatived by intoxication, even if the mens rea is not actually present). I presume this is what you are thinking of, in the context of settled insanity?