User:Mattisse//Geo
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[edit] question
Someone just asked me for a summary of the Starwood Mediation. I assumed it was the new mediation. But I see we have no new mediation. Do you know why I got this message?
- Matisse, could you summarize the issues in this case. Geo. 20:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you know who this person is? Thank you. Mattisse(talk) 22:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's User:Geo.plrd, the original mediator. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- But it did not end up on his user page but somewhere else. I looked on his page and it's not there. He had disguised his signature and my "summary" went someplace else. He never answered my messages during the mediation. so I don't understand what is happening now. Perhaps I should not have been so dumb as to answer it in good faith. Now I don't know what my summary is being used for and I feel very uneasy. Thank you. Mattisse(talk) 23:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it too terribly much in his case. I don't think he means any harm, but ... well, I also don't think that mediation is really his forte. Give him a good sounding title and a project that he can direct his attention on and he's fine. People burn out of MedCab pretty quickly, after all, since you're trying to solve people's problems and basically getting yelled at for doing it wrong. :D ... speaking of which, wanna mediate a case? ~Kylu (u|t) 23:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Would it be O.K. if I removed it from the page its's on, since it is not his page but another? It's on User talk:Geo.plrd/Esperanza and I don't know what that even is. Please, as I do not want such messages of mine around like that. It will cause trouble for me. May I remove it? Thank you. Mattisse(talk) 23:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it too terribly much in his case. I don't think he means any harm, but ... well, I also don't think that mediation is really his forte. Give him a good sounding title and a project that he can direct his attention on and he's fine. People burn out of MedCab pretty quickly, after all, since you're trying to solve people's problems and basically getting yelled at for doing it wrong. :D ... speaking of which, wanna mediate a case? ~Kylu (u|t) 23:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- But it did not end up on his user page but somewhere else. I looked on his page and it's not there. He had disguised his signature and my "summary" went someplace else. He never answered my messages during the mediation. so I don't understand what is happening now. Perhaps I should not have been so dumb as to answer it in good faith. Now I don't know what my summary is being used for and I feel very uneasy. Thank you. Mattisse(talk) 23:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Try User talk:Geo.plrd instead, Mattisse. I'm...not really terribly fond of having signatures not link to userpages and/or talkpages, but his seems to link only to those. Don't worry too much though, okay? :) ~Kylu (u|t) 00:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- He never answers messages left there. Have you looked at that page? People asking if he is missing in action and such -- offering to send out a snowmobile to look for him, pleaing with him to answer. I reverted the page (hope I broke no rules) but it was a crackpot page with crackpot messages on it. (I have to learn to be more wary.) As for you (humorous) suggestion that I be a mediator -- I can barely last here as it is. My thanks and respect to you for hanging in there and even attempting mediation! It's not going to work for the Starwood Festival problem though, unless you have some big, big guns. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 00:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I redirected User talk:Geo.plrd/Esperanza to User talk:Geo.plrd, as apparently well meaning people (such as yourself) seem to keep trying to talk to him on that page. OMG, rouge admin action. Ahwell, I'll just have to take punishment for it, if it makes Wikipedia a better place. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- He never answers messages left there. Have you looked at that page? People asking if he is missing in action and such -- offering to send out a snowmobile to look for him, pleaing with him to answer. I reverted the page (hope I broke no rules) but it was a crackpot page with crackpot messages on it. (I have to learn to be more wary.) As for you (humorous) suggestion that I be a mediator -- I can barely last here as it is. My thanks and respect to you for hanging in there and even attempting mediation! It's not going to work for the Starwood Festival problem though, unless you have some big, big guns. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 00:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the message. I am going to retire from Medcab, although I will help by closing cases where Mediation is not viable. My signature is unique and was purposely designed to be so. Unless the link in it, has been messed with, you should be taken to a page with all relevant links. Thanks for all advice, Geo. 01:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- The problem with the signature isn't actually you really, it's just that people tend to think that when they click a user signature, it takes them to that user's userpage. Then, clicking "talk", they expect they're on your userpage. Sadly, that page was never checked, people were leaving you messages, and therefore the concerns they had were going unanswered. I changed the comments into a redirect, and therefore if someone else mistakenly tries to leave a message on that talkpage for you, they'll be directed to your talk instead. See? :) Anywho, as far as medcab goes, please just work on the cases that you have already accepted, then when you're done with all those, we'll all sit down for a chat and see how you can assist further. Again, please don't accept any new cases, even to close cases where mediation isn't viable. Ciao, Geo. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Since I am not sure that person ever answers his talk page messages, but he does seem to respond to messages here, I have to ask a question. He left a message on my talk page that he put my message under a new heading so I could find it easier. Where did he make the new heading? Does he mean in the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival or on his talk page or on the disguised name page? I don't see it any of those places. I think I am going nuts! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I still think you're worrying far too much about this. At the very worst, you could look at Special:Contributions/Geo.plrd and check the (diff) links on that page to see the individual edits he's made, and use that to find the edit he said he made, right? ~Kylu (u|t) 01:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- He only made six edits today, two of them to my talk page, one to yours, and three others to Humbolt County, Chiropractic. and Eureka, California. Do you think he put it there? Or am I missing something totally? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- P.S. The redirect has already been removed by an anonymous IP. It's a crackpot page anyway. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I officially give up. Now he is telling me I should only post on the case page. The redirect is gone. I think no one is telling the truth. I'm out of here -- blowing this kool-aid stand as they say. Better to fight it out on the streets than this. There is no new heading. He has to be making this up. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- P.S. The redirect has already been removed by an anonymous IP. It's a crackpot page anyway. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- He only made six edits today, two of them to my talk page, one to yours, and three others to Humbolt County, Chiropractic. and Eureka, California. Do you think he put it there? Or am I missing something totally? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I still think you're worrying far too much about this. At the very worst, you could look at Special:Contributions/Geo.plrd and check the (diff) links on that page to see the individual edits he's made, and use that to find the edit he said he made, right? ~Kylu (u|t) 01:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Since I am not sure that person ever answers his talk page messages, but he does seem to respond to messages here, I have to ask a question. He left a message on my talk page that he put my message under a new heading so I could find it easier. Where did he make the new heading? Does he mean in the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival or on his talk page or on the disguised name page? I don't see it any of those places. I think I am going nuts! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- The problem with the signature isn't actually you really, it's just that people tend to think that when they click a user signature, it takes them to that user's userpage. Then, clicking "talk", they expect they're on your userpage. Sadly, that page was never checked, people were leaving you messages, and therefore the concerns they had were going unanswered. I changed the comments into a redirect, and therefore if someone else mistakenly tries to leave a message on that talkpage for you, they'll be directed to your talk instead. See? :) Anywho, as far as medcab goes, please just work on the cases that you have already accepted, then when you're done with all those, we'll all sit down for a chat and see how you can assist further. Again, please don't accept any new cases, even to close cases where mediation isn't viable. Ciao, Geo. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Extreme bias of mediator
The recently removed mediator from Starwood Festival just left a message on the Starwood Festival creator's page: hi Rosencomet, if you give me a list of the folks you want to create articles on, I will help with finding external sources. Geo. 02:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
This is the person from whom I whom I cannot get a straight answer.
Here is a copy of the summary I sent to him at his request that has disappeared under his "heading":
- (his request)
Matisse, could you summarize the issues in this case. Geo. 20:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- my reply (copy):
In general the issue is User:Rosencomet and his suite of articles that promote his festivals:
User:999, User:Hanuman Das and User:Ekajati have been protecting him and reverting pages back to spam. User:Timmy12 removed search engine links within these articles [1] and seems to have been driven away from Wikipedia by the harassment and many complaints filed against him by the above users.
Many of us are concerned with links in the articles:Check Rosencomet linkspamming.
Also, all the internal linking Check on performers at Starwood Festival.
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival was opened. Almost immediately Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mattisse was filed. If you look through that you will get an idea of the scope of articles involved and the amount of energy they are willing to put into harassing someone.
We were hoping an out-in-the-open discussion of what constitutes following WP:V, WP:RS etc. as well how to decide issues of notability. Now it is WP:OWN and WP:STALK as people who attempt to do anything to these articles get harassed. I saw a comment by User:Kathryn NicDhàna somewhere that summed it up as she is starting to experience it over a current AFD on one of the protected articles.
BostonMA is better at explaining than I am. Please ask him. I am still intimidated by all the harassment and discouraged. Hope this is what you meant by a summary. If you wanted something else, let me know and I will try to do better. Mattisse(talk) 21:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- User:Geo.plrd is the original mediator. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I asked before I was removed. I made a new heading so you could find it easier. Geo. 01:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Do you mean new heading as in this messages heading?
If not could you explain further.Geo. 02:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
If you mean the Esperanza page, then i must apologize. From what I can gather, someone made that page, probably by accident, all messages can and should be left at User_talk:Geo.plrd All messages on that page will be moved to my talk page. Then that page will be deleted. Again, sorry for the foulup Geo. 02:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Please read the above. Please post all case comments on the case page. Geo. 02:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC) The case is Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival, if this isn't what you are looking for then please explain what I was going to create a heading for. Geo. 02:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Just so you know there are two Esperanza pages, one contains links to my talk page, and my signature links to it. The other one should not exist. I wasn't going to make any new headers, except for the one at the top of this section. Geo. 03:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- (my feeling now)This whole thing appears very corrupt and explains our frustration. This appears like deliberate sabotage of the mediation. Now we are all exhasuted. I don't think anyone is interested in participating in mediation again, So once again Rosencomet and his span etc. has won the day. So much for anything. (Even I am surprised that Wikipedia is this infiltrated.) Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 03:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- P.S. The comment from [User:Kathryn NicDhàna]] was on the mediator's talk page - unanswered of course -- an now archived, I believe. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 03:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, Mattisse and Geo.plrd, both of you pay attention to this:
- For the love of Pete, learn to use links and diffs! I really don't need the whole bloody page, which I'm rather familiar with already, copied to my talkpage. This isn't helping and it's just going to confuse a third party who would like to understand what is going on, but this sort of mass copy-paste deal is just going to bollocks it all up.
- Please understand that Geo is no longer mediating this case. Period. He has nothing to do with it, has been removed, please do not talk to each other about the case, nor give advice on what to do about it.
- Mattisse: Please read and understand WP:AGF and, before clicking any other link on this page, visit Hanlon's razor. I prefer, in this case, to rephrase "stupidity" to ... oh, "lack of familiarity with the subject" perhaps. But don't say that he's corrupt and a saboteur please. Wikipedia:No personal attacks while we're at it, please!
- Now, given that 1. Geo is removed from the case, 2. simply never acted in the first place, and 3. you're taking this all very personally it seems, I'm going to recommend that you close your browser, get away from the computer, and take a break for the night. WP:TINC. There is also no conspiracy about the case, nor is there any sabotage. There is simply a mediator who has a well documented history of not ... well, doing any mediation.
- Geo, read the Mediation Cabal page again. View the Suggestions to Mediators please. Finish the mediations you currently have selected, then do not take any more cases. Now, I know you mean well, but ... you have this tendency, I think, to like to accumulate titles and bureaucracy around you. This isn't constructive to building an encyclopedia, and, in fact...
- Wikipedia Is Here For Building An Encyclopedia. See WP:NOT. Some people like to do administrative tasks. That's fine, someone's got to have the crap jobs. Some like to write FA's. Some like to mediate disputes. All of these things contribute, either directly or indirectly to The Encyclopedia. Everything else on here is simply tolerated at best. Go write some articles already.
- ?????????????????????~Kylu (u|t) 04:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to have offended you. I am at a lost for words over what has happen. Just leave me out off mediation from now on and I will desist. As I said, fighting in the streets I now see as preferable. So good night and goodbye. Sincerely Mattisse(talk) 04:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have been using the links and diffs. That does nothing to help or clarify. Perhaps you have more useful suggestions and I will reconsider. I and others have put much work into this for no reason. I just wanted someone to hear, since your mediation deep-sixed my efforts and that of others. I apolize since you do not want to listen. Do you have a suggestion as to how we can be heard, since mediation just buries us. Thanks. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 04:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to have offended you. I am at a lost for words over what has happen. Just leave me out off mediation from now on and I will desist. As I said, fighting in the streets I now see as preferable. So good night and goodbye. Sincerely Mattisse(talk) 04:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, Mattisse and Geo.plrd, both of you pay attention to this:
