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[edit] Usage of Template:cite book

Template:cite book now replaces deprecated template:book reference.

{{cite book | last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | editor =  | others = 
 | title = '''REQUIRED''' | origdate =  | origyear =  | origmonth =  | url = 
 | format =  | accessdate =  | edition =  | date =   | publisher =  | location = 
 | language =  | id =  | pages =  | chapter =  | chapterurl = }}

{{cite book  | last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | year = 
 | title = '''REQUIRED''' | publisher =  | location =  | id = }}


[edit] Description of book reference parameters

  • Author: Last name, First name. The First, Last parameters are preferred.
    • First: First name of author (ignored if Author field is used).
    • Last: Surname of author (ignored if Author field is used).
    • Authorlink: Title of Wikipedia article about author. Article must already exist.
    • Coauthors: Additional author or authors (Firstname Lastname is the standard format for the most common citation styles), separated by ", " (comma space).
  • Date: January 1, 2006. Full date of publication.
    • Year: Year of publication (ignored if the Date field is used).
      • Month: Month of publication (ignored if the Date field is used, or if the Year field is not used).
  • Chapter: Produces:"Chapter" ahead of Title. Punctuation other than quotes should be included in the value passed to the parameter (e.g., Chapter = Meet Dick and Jane.)
  • Editor: No text is added, so labels such as "(ed.)" has to be supplied by user.
  • Title: Title of book. This is the only required parameter.
  • Others: For uses such as "illustrated by Smith" or "trans. Smith".
  • Edition: When the book has more than one edition. eg: "2nd edition".
  • Pages: 1–2: first page, and optional last page.
  • Publisher: Publisher should not include corporate designation such is "Ltd" or "Inc".
    • Location: Place of publication. Produces Location: Publisher (ignored if the Publisher field is not used).
  • ID: Identifier such as ISBN 1-111-22222-9 or {{LCC|Z253.U69}}
  • URL: URL of an online book.


[edit] references and endnotes

<ref name="???">{{cite web | last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | year = 
 | url =  | title = 
 | format =  | work =  | publisher =  | accessdate = }}</ref>
then to call on the same note later use in text:
<ref name="???"/>
and then to call them put in References section

== References ==

{{reflist}}

to prompt for references use:

== References ==
{{references}}
{{reflist}}

[edit] web references

{{cite web  | last =   | first =   | authorlink =   | coauthors =   | year = 
 | url =   | title = 
 | format =  | work =  | publisher =  | accessdate = }}

Required parameters

  • url: URL of online item.
  • title: Title of online item.
  • date: Date (Month Day) when item was accessed. May be ISO 8601 YYYY-MM-DD format.
    • year: Year when item was accessed. (Optional if ISO 8601 date used)

Optional parameters

  • author: Author
  • publishyear: Date published.
  • format: Format, i.e. PDF. HTTP implied if not specified.
  • work: If this item is part of a larger work, name of that work.
  • publisher: Publisher, if any.

[edit] news reference

{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title= 
|url= |work= |publisher= |date= |accessdate= }}
  • title is required, rest is optional.
  • author: Author
    • last works with first to produce last, first
  • publisher: Publisher, if any.
  • accessdate: Date when item was accessed. Use ISO 8601 YYYY-MM-DD format.
  • work: If this item is part of a larger work, name of that work.

[edit] Geography stubs

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian places Category:Australia_geography_stubs

newstub=Australia-geo-stub

{{NewSouthWales-geo-stub}} / {{Canberra-geo-stub}} / {{Victoria-geo-stub}} / {{Australia-struct-stub}}

find other stub categories at Wikipedia:Stub categories

no longer a stub: >250 words; correctly categorised; LGA, Lat & Long; pop stats; historical info

criteria for destubbing, to destub the article should satisfy most of the following:

  1. Article is 250 words plus.
  2. Article is correctly categorised
  3. Article mentions which local government area it falls within and/or nearby towns/highways, longitude and latitude (?)
  4. Article describes basic stats, like population at census 1996 or 2001
  5. Article mentions historical information and/or activites in the town now that make it interesting.


WikiProject Canberra / Wikipedia:WikiProject Canberra/Suburbs / User:Adz/CanberraSuburbsInfo


coordinates from: Geoscience Australia example of use in Hawker article: (postcode: 2614, 35°15′S, 149°02′E)


(postcode: 2614, {{coor dm|35|15|S|149|02|E|region:AU-ACT}}) or using {{Coor title dm}}

{{coor title dm|deg|min|NS|deg|min|EW|optional}}

Replace the first occurrences of deg, and min with the degree, minute, and second of the North-South component of the coordinates, and the second occurrences with the same for the East-West component. NS and EW should each be replaced with one or the other of N or S, and E or W. The optional can be any type:, region:, or scale: parameters that are recognised by the map server (such as the popular type:city and type:landmark options. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Parameters for a comprehensive list). For example, {{coor title dm|32|47|S|134|13|E|type:town_region:AU-SA}} from Streaky Bay, South Australia

Population statistics (can be found from the Bureau of Statistics Office). Tip: The ABS website is a very hard to navigate - so to find the right document, search google for POA2234 (replace "2234" with the right postcode for your suburb). Then you can either download the data for AUS$10, or the ABS site will let you download it for free if the computer you are using is in a University or a library.

using this Australian Bureau of Statistics page you can navigate to free statistical local area information. For example, snapshot of Red Hill. You can compare your suburb with Canberra figures.

Australian geography naming convention

Local government area

Note to comment <!-- xxx -->

nb places names on Aust War Memorial in London [1]

[edit] Infobox_Australian_Places

Template:Infobox Australian Place/Blank

[edit] Geographical Names Board and similar

[edit] ABS data on Pop counts for urban localities

This ABS page should allow you to search 2001 Census Data by Location Name

Style and formatting
Manual of Style and its subpages
Related policies and guidelines
Other advice, including essays and proposals
Related to specific cultures

[edit] Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list

Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list

[edit] Experimenting

[edit] Templates and editing useful links

Help:Archiving a talk page

{{subst:prod|The article contains nothing more than that the season took place.  Recreate when some content. I have put the article outline at [[Template talk:Australian cricket seasons]]}}

link to templates page: Wikipedia:Template messages and Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace

{{spamonly}}

{{subst:lifetime|1858|1917|Lastname, Firstname}}

{{subst:Unsigned2|date|user name|+11 hours}}

based on {{Unsigned2|date|username [|timezone]}}

date 
datestamp
username 
name or IP of user who left comment
timezone
optional parameter; specifies timezone in the form +h or -h (for example, UTC-7) - ie offset +11 hours for daylight saving and 10 hours when not daylight saving
{{subst:Sofixit}}
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Template talk:Merge - how to etc

{{col-begin}} to begin; then {{col-4}} for each column including the first; {{col-end}} to end.


Category:Australia geography stubs / Category:Australia stubs /Category:Australian people stubs / Category:School_stubs

Australian Wikipedians' noticeboard / Wikipedia:WikiProject Canberra Wikipedia:WikiProject_Canberra/Suburbs / Wikipedia:New articles (Australia)

Wikipedia:Cite sources

Template:Book_reference see Template talk:Book reference for usage

see Wikipedia:Template_substitution#Templates_that_should_be_subst.27d for reminder about using template tags

Wikipedia:Australian wikipedians' notice board/Complete to-do/Australian Dictionary of Biography

Wikipedia:Editing policy ->Perfection Not Required, or, The Joy of Editing

Category tree

[edit] My reminders ...

Exopedianism

Wikipedia_talk:Fame_and_importance#No: Jimbo Wales - 'fame' and 'importance' are not the right words to use, they are merely rough approximations to what we're really interested in, which is verifiability and NPOV. I understand and appreciate where people are coming from on the 'Yes' vote, but feel that they will only get the unanimity necessary in a wiki environment if they rephrase the issue in those terms. Consider an obscure scientific concept, 'Qubit Field Theory' -- 24 hits on google. I'd say that not more than a few thousand people in the world have heard of it, and not more than a few dozen understand it. (I certainly don't.) It is not famous and it is arguably not important, but I think that no one would serious question that it is valid material for an encyclopedia. What is it that makes this encyclopedic? It is that it is information which is verifiable and which can be easily presented in an NPOV fashion. (Though perhaps only as a stub, of course, since it's very complicated and not many people would know how to express it clearly in layperson's terms.)

from Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups

User:AYArktos/monobook.js

WikiProject Countering systemic bias open tasks
This project creates new articles and improves neglected ones.


[edit] References

  • Caldwell, J. C. (1987). "Chapter 2: Population", in Wray Vamplew (ed.): Australians: Historical Statistics. Broadway, New South Wales, Australia: Fairfax, Syme & Weldon Associates, pages 23 and 26. ISBN 0-949288-29-2. 

{{cite book | last = Caldwell | first = J. C. | authorlink = | editor = Wray Vamplew (ed.) | title = Australians: Historical Statistics | date = 1987 | publisher = Fairfax, Syme & Weldon Associates | location = Broadway, New South Wales, Australia | id = ISBN 0-949288-29-2| pages = pages 23 and 26 | chapter = Chapter 2: Population}}

  • Body, A.H. (1986). Firm Still You Stand (The Anglican Church of St John The Baptist, Canberra, Its Parish and Parishioners. 1841-1984). St Johns Parish Council, Canberra, Australia. ISBN 0-9591711-2-6. 

*{{cite book | author=Body, A.H.| title= Firm Still You Stand (The Anglican Church of St John The Baptist, Canberra, Its Parish and Parishioners. 1841-1984) | publisher=St Johns Parish Council, Canberra, Australia | year=1986|id = ISBN 0-9591711-2-6}}

  • Huggus, compiled on behalf of Clive Harvie (1994?). That's where I met my wife : a story of the first swimming pool in the National Capital at Canberra. C. Harvie, Canberra, Australia. (no ISBN). 

*{{cite book|author=Huggus, compiled on behalf of Clive Harvie|year=1994?|title= That's where I met my wife : a story of the first swimming pool in the National Capital at Canberra|publisher= C. Harvie, Canberra, Australia|id= (no ISBN)}}

  • Freeman, Peter (editor and compiler) (1996). The early Canberra house : living in Canberra, 1911-1933 : an anthology. Federal Capital Federal Press of Australia, Canberra, Australia. ISBN 095986752X. 

*{{cite book | author=Freeman, Peter (editor and compiler)| title= The early Canberra house : living in Canberra, 1911-1933 : an anthology | publisher=Federal Capital Federal Press of Australia, Canberra, Australia | year=1996|id = ISBN 095986752X}}

  • Wigmore, Lionel (1963). The long view : a history of Canberra, Australia's National Capital. F.W. Cheshire, Melbourne, Australia. (no ISBN). 

*{{cite book | author=Wigmore, Lionel | title= The long view : a history of Canberra, Australia's National Capital | publisher=F.W. Cheshire, Melbourne, Australia | year=1963|id = (no ISBN)}}

  • Gibbney, James (1986). Calthorpes' Canberra: The town and community in 1927. Australian Government Publishing Service, Canberra, Australia. ISBN 0-644-04662-7. 

*{{cite book | author=Gibbney, James| title= Calthorpes' Canberra: The town and community in 1927 | publisher=Australian Government Publishing Service, Canberra, Australia | year=1986|id = ISBN 0-644-04662-7}}

  • (1988) Sites of Significance in the ACT, volume two, Inner Canberra. National Capital Development Commission, Canberra, Australia. ISBN 0-642-13229-1. 

*{{cite book | author=| title= Sites of Significance in the ACT, volume two, Inner Canberra| publisher=National Capital Development Commission, Canberra, Australia | year=1988|id = ISBN 0-642-13229-1}}

  • Apperly, Richard; Robert Irving, Peter Reynolds (1989). A pictorial guide to identifying Australian architecture, Paperback, 1994, Sydney,Australia: HarperCollins. ISBN 0-207-18562-X. 

{{cite book | first = Richard | last = Apperly | coauthors = Robert Irving, Peter Reynolds | year = 1989 | title = A pictorial guide to identifying Australian architecture | edition = Paperback, 1994 | publisher = HarperCollins | location = Sydney,Australia | id = ISBN 0-207-18562-X}}

[edit] To Do

Follow up - tall poppy syndrom with http://www.utas.edu.au/french/people/peeters/Classicvm_TallPoppies.pdf

Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/19xx in Australia - missing years


http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/adbonline.htm

Follow up Queensland Police Museum about Tracker Leon Wood for Arthur Upfield

part of Bega Valley Shire

also Eden, New South Wales

Attribution followup - Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks and also Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter - violation noted at http://www.magicaljourneys.com/Australia/australia-interest-nsw-sydney-portjackson.html


User:AYArktos/sandbox/War Memorials in Australia

User:AYArktos/sandbox/Sydharbs

User:AYArktos/sandbox/Haddock exclamations - based on List of exclamations used by Captain Haddock

User:AYArktos/sandbox/Murray River Bridges NSW to Vic perhaps produce a table based on http://www.dotars.gov.au/transprog/murray_bridges.aspx

€2 commemorative coins

Red linked ASX 50 (top 50 listed companies) :

Alumina Limited, Amcor Limited, AMP Limited, Australia And New Zealand Banking Group Limited, Australian Gas Light Company, AXA Asia Pacific Holdings Limited (part of the global AXA group), BHP Billiton, BlueScope Steel, Boral, Brambles Industries, Coca-Cola Amatil, Coles Myer, Commonwealth Bank of Australia, CSL Limited, CSR Limited, John Fairfax Holdings Limited, Foster's Group Limited, General Property Trust, Insurance Australia Group Limited, James Hardie Industries N.V., Lend Lease Corporation Limited, Macquarie Bank Limited, Macquarie Infrastructure Group (these two are related, obviously), Mayne Group Limited, Mirvac Group, National Australia Bank, Newcrest Mining Limited, News Corporation (there are two different sorts of shares due to the shell games Rupert plays to maintain control of the group), Orica Limited, Origin Energy Limited, Promina Group Limited, Publishing and Broadcasting Limited (Kerry Packer's company), Qantas, QBE Insurance Group Limited, Rinker Group Limited, Rio Tinto Limited, Santos Limited, St George Bank Limited, Stockland, Suncorp-Metway Limited, Tabcorp Holdings Limited, Telecom Corporation Of New Zealand Limited, Telstra Corporation Limited, Wesfarmers Limited, Westfield Group, Westpac Banking Corporation, WMC Resources Limited, Woodside Petroleum, and Woolworths Limited.

[edit] Polydore Vergil

Polydore Vergil:

The Anglica Historia of Polydore Vergil A.D. 1485-1537 Polydore Vergil (1470-1555) was an Italian priest who arrived in Britain in the year 1502 and was commissioned by King Henry VII to write a history of Britain. He began his History in the year 1506....

This site discussing the "Historia Regum Britannie" (History of the Kings of Britain), completed in 1136, by Geoffrey of Monmouth talks about The "Anglica Historia": "... during the time of Henry VIII, when a Roman Catholic priest called Polydore Vergil (c.1470-1555) published his "Anglica Historia", denouncing the entire history of the Britons with the following words:

"Trulie ther is nothinge more obscure, more uncertaine, or unknowne then the affaires of the Brittons from the beginninge.

"The "Anglica Historia" consisted of 25 books altogether and was published in a number of successive editions. The first edition was published in 1534, the second in 1546, the third in 1555, and a number of further editions up to 1651. Details of Polydore Vergil, and his attack on the British history, are given by McKisack (Medieval History in the Tudor Age, May McKisack, Oxford University Press, 1971, p.98-101.).

"There was an angry reaction from the Welsh..."

[edit] Endnotes

  1. ^  (1995) in Joan Beaumont (ed.): Australia's War 1914-18. Sydney, Australia: Allen & Unwin. ISBN 1 86373 461 9. , page 81.

[edit] External links

[edit] Crowd disasters

Crowd disasters have resulted in the deaths of many people.

In 1989 (April 15) 96 people were crushed to death at Hillsborough, Sheffield, England. The police opened gates to alleviate crowding outside the Stadium and a resulting rush of people onto the already filled terrace sections trapped fans against riot control fences ringing the field.

See Battle of Agincourt for application ....

[edit] External reference

[edit] See also

[edit] Welcoming

use the subst: method rather than the msg: method to insert the welcomes so that the user can easily see what commands were used to create the message by editing their talk page.

[edit] Australian


== Welcome ==
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:[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Editing tutorial]]
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:[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions|Naming conventions]]
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As a contributor to Australian articles,  you may like to connect with other Australian Wikipedians through the [[Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board|Australian Wikipedians' notice board]] and take a look at the activities in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia]] and associated sub-projects.

Please [[Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; this will automatically produce your name and the date. 

If you have any questions, please see [[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]], try the [[Wikipedia:Help desk]], or ask me on [[User talk:AYArktos|my talk page]]. Thank you for signing up! 

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[edit] not registered

Suggest creating an account: Standard Greeting for people who have not yet become users but are making good edits to the Wikipedia.

{{subst:Anon}} ~~~~

For more see Wikipedia:Welcome template table

[edit] for my amusement and nostalgia

[edit] International Travels

My travels:
Idea and layout evolved from other users including Calton

[edit] travels within Australia

Canberra
Sydney Albury-Wodonga Armidale Bathurst Coffs Harbour Dubbo Gosford Goulburn Grafton Griffith Lake Macquarie Lismore Maitland Newcastle Nowra Orange Queanbeyan Tamworth Wagga Wagga Wollongong
Darwin Alice Springs
Brisbane Cairns Gold Coast Sunshine Coast Townsville Airlie Beach Ayr Caloundra Cardwell Kuranda Mooloolaba Proserpine Whitsunday Islands
Adelaide Murray Bridge Port Augusta Victor Harbor
Hobart
Melbourne Wodonga Ballarat Bendigo Geelong Latrobe City Mildura Shepparton
Perth Fremantle Mandurah

[edit] my edits

New articles or stubs I have created (not redirects or renaming)

Places

Avoca, Victoria / Bagdad, Tasmania / Bega Valley / Binalong, New South Wales / Broulee, New South Wales / Burrewarra Point / Camden Park / Doo Town, Tasmania / Greater Hume Shire Council / Grange, South Australia / Grenfell, New South Wales / Homebush, Victoria / Kill, County Kildare / Lake Purrumbete / Mount Hopeless / Mount Taylor, Australian Capital Territory / Ovens River, Victoria / Queanbeyan River / Terry Hie Hie, New South Wales / Tittybong, Victoria / Upotipotpon, Victoria / Unnamed Conservation Park / Watanobbi, New South Wales / Whitmore, Staffordshire / Wyoming, New South Wales

People

John Bigge / Ashley Burns / Russell Drysdale / John Gilbert (bushranger) / Vida Goldstein / Sara Henderson / Michael Matteson / Adela Pankhurst / Thomas Twyford / John Verge / Peter Waite / Edna Walling / William Alexander Watt

Other

Mobile soap opera / Roadside memorial / ACT Coroner's Bushfire Inquiry / Australian Dictionary of Biography / Nineteen Counties / Macrozamia / Australian Maritime Safety Authority

Articles I have substantially contributed to

Burton & Garran Hall / Canberra / Canberra Grammar School / Glebe Park, Canberra / List_of_incidents_famously_considered_great_blunders#Naval / Manuka, Australian Capital Territory / Nimmitabel, New South Wales / Port Jackson / Red Hill, Australian Capital Territory

[edit] Edit reviewing tools

Contribution Tree Contribution Tree, a hierarchical view of a user's contributions. Lists individual articles a user has contributed to. Allows viewing of a user's edits to a specific page. And the (context) link displays a history page where the desired edit is at the bottom, so discussions that took place on rotating pages like WP:DRV or WP:AN/I can be followed.

On 23 January 4,800 edits. 13,007 edits 2 November

edit counting: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate


Total edits 2001 as at 21 September 2005 Distinct pages edited 944 Edits/page (avg) 2.12 First edit 2005-02-16 22:28:10 Edits by namespace Articles 1171 Talk 160 User 102 User talk 158 Wikipedia 318 Wikipedia talk 16 Image 49 Template 3 Template talk 1 Category 17 Category talk 6

  • 1000th edit 22 June - reformatted some links within List of interesting or unusual place names in accordance with Aust wiki place name policy (at that date approx 16 new articles, 13 new images, 412 minor edits, 58 entries on user talk, 7 entries on category pages)

500th edit - Anna Maria Pertl Mozart2 May

[edit] Errors discovered in Australian wikipedia articles

  • myths about the number of Australian war dead as a proportion of casualties. For example, the assertion at Talk:ANZAC_Day#Death_toll. I had previously discussed the issue at Talk:Australia/Archive_6#World_War_1_Casualties
  • Boxing Kangaroo attributed wrongly to Commonwelath Games with wrong year being given for Brisbane Commonwealth Games - anon user one-off contribution
  • The Story of the Kelly Gang -anon user - quite possibly a prank
  • Canberra bushfires of 2003 In the early hours of the morning, a helicopter that had been waterbombing the fires crashed, and ACT Chief Minister Jon Stanhope, who was among those fighting the fires, was one of the rescuers. - edit by Ambi
  • Jon Stanhope Stanhope's handling of the 2003 bushfires was lauded from many sectors of the community. He made headlines later in the year when he personally jumped from a helicopter into a dam to save the pilot of another helicopter which had crashed into the water. - in article when created by anon user
  • Seldom Seen Roadhouseplaced in Blue Mountains rather than the Snowy's by User:Tobin Richard

[edit] Deletion of Causes célèbres - debate too late

This is a wonderful example of how a tiny minority can impose their ignorance on the Wikipedia community thanks to the dysfunctional VFD process. It's a safe bet that the dozens of people who contributed to this category are blissfully unaware that their work is about to be nuked - because somebody doesn't like (or understand) an English expression of French origin! I don't see any of the nukers volunteering to recatagorize the articles. Of course not - that would take effort. Slashing and burning is easy and fun. Mirror Vax 28 June 2005 21:45 (UTC)

I do not follow all the myriad deletion pages (in fact am not necessarily aware of them all) and I am always a little stunned to suddenly find that a debate has been going on where, as suggested by Mirror Vax above, many of the editors who used the categorisation or relied on it would have been unaware of the debate. People tend to watch article pages so can catch up with changes to articles they have contributed to, including the addition of a VfD. (Other not closely followed deletion debates also include template for deletion.) This debate seems to have had few contributers and no clear concensus. There is a nomination plus 2 delete votes clearly marked as such, two keep votes and a tentative keep. The debate is summarised on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion as "Was on VFU for ten days but never reached consensus to undelete." Where was the consensus to delete in the first place? There are 39 articles categorised, it is not a trivial category as some of those nominated for deletion. I do not believe it is appropriate to persist with deletion and depopulation of the category.--AYArktos 28 June 2005 23:23 (UTC)
Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres. RIP my lovely category although I hope to see it resurrected in some form. AYArktos, you made the same points I made in the CfD debate (if 'debate' is not stretching it), and at length in the VfU debate, but sadly the majority of the other edits were from those uninterested in listening. In fact there were 105 articles in the category at its peak. David | Talk 28 June 2005 23:26 (UTC)

I have found a more recent category for deletion debate Log for 11 June 2005[3] that is not referenced on this talk page nor clearly pointed to on the current Wikipedia:Categories for deletion page. The Vote for Undeletion can be seen at [4] subsequent revision removed the debate as "unlist causes celebres ...[no] majority for undeletion". I appreciate that there were more people participating in the debate than the debate archived above. However, perhaps going by concensus within debates should not be the only judgement for categories and templates. The number of articles using those categories and templates and the number of editors allowing those categories and templates to stat in place on those pages should form part of the picture. The article on Schapelle Corby is a heavily edited and heavily watched page. The catgorisation of it as a Causes célèbres was passed by many editors - why doesn't that form part of the picture in considering deletion or undeletion?--AYArktos 28 June 2005 23:44 (UTC)


[edit] Learning

dummy text and more

plus some more

[edit] WISP

http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=35&prgDate=11-04-2006&view=storyview - link to Wait Wait don't tell me - Wales interview