Talk:Matthew Deady

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Good article Matthew Deady has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
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[edit] Sources

  • DEADY'S MUSINGS DEAL WITH EVENTS PROFOUND AND PETTY, The Oregonian, August 20, 2000, Author: John Terry
  • MATTHEW DEADY'S PUBLIC IMPACT WRIT IN LAW, CHURCH, EDUCATION, The Oregonian, August 13, 2000, Author: John Terry Aboutmovies (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Review

Seems pretty solid. I think law buffs might want to see a reference to Pennoyer in the lead. bd2412 T 08:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article review

GA review for Matthew Deady


GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    Several specific comments listed below
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Kudos! I agree with your level of providing very many citations so that anything can be verified later.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    some work needed as indicated below
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    2 suggestions listed below.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Hold until comments are resolved.

[edit] Specific comments

  • I recommend that Image:Matthew Deady 1903.JPG be moved to Commons. I would avoid moving Image:USdistrictOregon.gif to Commons since it is a logo (even though it is public domian).
  • "He first attended school where his father was a teacher until the age of twelve" - awkward especially "first". How about "He attended school, where his father was a teacher, until the age of twelve." or something on that line.
  • "In Wheeling, his father taught at the Lancasterian Academy, and Wheeling is where on May 31, 1834, his mother died." Should be 2 sentences.
  • It would be nice if you would create short stubs for redlinked articles. This is not a requirement but a suggestion.
  • "Matthew Deady was then appointed as an associate justice of the Territorial Supreme Court, in both 1853 and 1857 by the President of the United States." Name the President(s).
  • "Spring of 1853". Spring is different based on Northern or Southern hemisphere, so try to find out the month. Same thing for "fall" in "moved the family there in the fall, naming it Fair Oaks".
  • "He would also rely on financial help from his associates in order to keep proper appearances on his small salary as a federal judge." I don't understand the sentence. Please rephrase "proper appearances".
  • What was his official cause of death and circumstances (if known)?
  • "popular public speaker" - sounds POV since the reference doesn't cover it.
  • "prolific writer on the law and other subjects" There should be a list of his published works.

--GA Reviewed by Royalbroil 03:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for taking the time to review the article. I will address most of this tomorrow, but a few notes on some items that I am not planning to address:
  • I know its only a suggestion, but Redlinks really are OK. I personally don't like to write stubs just to get rid of them, as I find stubs worse than a red link.
  • I have absolutely no clue why Commons was brought up. These images meet the Wikipedia:Good article criteria part of being free or having a FUR. I am planning on locating a better image of Deady at some point in the future, but images are optional. If I can find a free version that is better then I'll upload it, but they are hard to come by (most of the old books cannot be checked out and thus scanned).
Again, thanks for the review, and I'll let you know when I'm done. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
That's fine, both were optional recommendations. Royalbroil 13:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, I think I've addressed everything that could be. The season was as specific as the sources got, and a stroke six months earlier is as specific as it got on cause of death. Let me know if the re-wording works for you. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

A detail: Two references say simply "Deady" and a page number. I assume these are references to Pharisee Among Philistines, but now that there's an extensive Works Authored section, it's unclear. AM, can you clear up if that's the book meant to be cited?

Also, for what it's worth, I moved the image to Commons. (I also adjusted it a bit.)

Great work, AM! -Pete (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

So you know for next time you move an image to Commons, you should use the tool Commons Helper. You can find out more at Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons. It's important that the file history gets moved to Commons too. Someone will take care of it, so don't worry about it. Royalbroil 03:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Great job with editing the article. The discussion about not using "Spring" or "Fall" is found in the WP:MOS at WP:SEASON. How about replacing "In the Spring of 1837" with "In early 1837", "in the Spring of 1853" with "early in 1853", and "moved the family there in the fall, naming it Fair Oaks" with "moved the family there later that year, naming it Fair Oaks". About the cause of his death, does the reference support changing "Matthew Paul Deady died in Portland on March 24, 1893, at the age of 68" to "Matthew Paul Deady died in Portland on March 24, 1893, at the age of 68, due to the effects of the stroke." If not, it can be left as is. I did some other minor rewording that I thought was cleaner. Royalbroil 03:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
With the death, unfortunately the source does not support it. It sort of seemed implied, but not entirely clear since the death came 6 months later. From my understanding of strokes is that if you recover and go back to work, then it might not be the stroke, or it could be a new one, but I'm no doctor. As to season, I know about the recommendation: "neutral wording may be preferable" and I would prefer an exact month if not a complete date. But in this case neither exists, and I think spring is more exact that early, as using the season keeps it to a three month time frame where the other could be up to six months. I agree it isn't ideal, but I think the season is the better choice over being more ambiguous. The reader should be able to tell it is the Northern Hemisphere. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I have elevated the article's status to GA. Good job on meeting the points that I have suggested. I checked the GA criteria, and compliance with WP:SEASON doesn't appear to be required (and WP:SEASON is a guideline not a policy). You're right about leaving the cause of death alone except if a better source is found. Congratulations! Royalbroil 04:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks a lot. Hopefully I can find another source sometime for his death, though I suspect some old fashioned reasoning of a tired heart or the like. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)