Talk:Matter (novel)

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[edit] Preceeding novel

I'm not sure if listing "Steep approach to Garbagbedale" as the preceeding novel makes sense. Shouldn't it be the last culture novel, or at least, the last Iain M Banks novel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.240.48 (talk) 04:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it makes sense. Ian Banks and Iain M. Banks are not two different people. Heck, you'd then also need a third list of novels, because he also writes non-Culture SF too! Ingolfson (talk) 09:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Publication date

I'm trying not to read the article as I want to avoid spoilers. However, I bought a copy today, so the February publication date can't be right... Evercat (talk) 18:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I bought the book 2 days ago, even though the online shops claim it isn't released yet... I'm guessing the bookshop accidentally put it in the shop too early. Bart Coppens (talk) 18:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I received my copy from Amazon UK today, so it's definitely released. 82.69.127.77 (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Complexity

Okay, slightly off-topic, but does anyone think he (Banks) was being a bit over the top when he called the book so complex that even its complexity was complex? Compared to some of the other Culture books (Use of Weapons!) I found this relatively straightforward. It could be summarised as "Ancient evil slumbers in old city, wakes up, and is killed by sacrifice of main character." EXTREMELY straight-forward. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't too complex in terms of plot, only in the background world. Ingolfson (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, 90% of the book don't deal with the "ancient evil" story; would you call this all just "background"? It tells several stories (three main stories: Djan's, Ferbin's, and Oramen's) which ultimately culminate in the "ancient evil" event, which comes rather as a surprise, but I think that the complex way to this climax is more important than the climax itself. Still, Banks seems to exaggerate a bit regarding readers needing the appendices; despite lots of neologisms and characters disappearing for a long time, it is quite easy to follow indeed. Gestumblindi (talk) 01:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)