Talk:Matt Holt

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Let's compromise.

There's obviously two Matt Holt's we want to put here. Perhaps we should add a disambiguation?

[edit] Delete this article?

Hold out on the deletion of this article. What are your grounds for "vanity article"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.28 (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

The article does not outline the subject's notability. You can't just write an article about any old person. If you don't want the article deleted, make clear in the article why the subject is notable. --Closedmouth 14:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intripita CEO's entry

There is no space on Wikipedia for a totally unsourced article on the CEO of a company which apparently hasn't even started operations. Period. Please come back only if this person has been mentioned in detail in two or more reliable sources per our notability guidelines on biographies. Until then, there is nothing encyclopedic to write about him. Kimchi.sg 14:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I didn't realise there was actually a notable Matt Holt, and that his article had been hijacked. Never heard of the band before... --Closedmouth 15:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, the admin's always the last defence against improper speedy deletion and the history link is his friend. ;) Actually the band guy writeup also suffers from unsourced parts but I've dug up citations for some parts. Kimchi.sg 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to do now...

Hijacking the article is a critical accusation. What grounds is there that you have that editing a Wikipedia article is hijacking it? What is notable to one is not to the other, and there will always be opposites. This is something you must learn to deal with.

The article I am *trying* to get across is about this person and his theories in modern Internet infrastructure, technology, and process/commerce. He hasn't become public as of yet, and wants a good image when he does go public; having a Wikipedia entry as a band member could set unknowing readers a very poor and opposite image of the Matt Holt I am trying to convey, which can damage business and other relations as well.

I cannot find sources as he hasn't published any solid piece of work anywhere on the Internet or in books, but have talked with him directly and through this I have gotten the information I have. The notability guidelines suggest that just because a person is an athlete, a movie star, etc, the person is automatically "notable".

Why is it not so, then, that a businessman and CEO is not notable? Why is a band member notable? According to the article, this guy simply makes music and sells albums. Looks like more of a marketing stunt to me.

Which is why I'm tagging the current article which you INSIST must go here. Rather, the article I am trying to put in place may affect the way of the Internet's and its users' futures.

And by the way... [1]don't bite me. (Heck, I don't even know how to get that link to show up right.)

So here's what I can suggest: If I find unrelated yet solid sources and can cite them with my article, is there a way we can get both "Matt Holt"s in the same article space?

66.82.9.65 20:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

"I cannot find sources as he hasn't published any solid piece of work anywhere" - you have just said the very reason why the CEO is not notable at this time.

"have talked with him directly and through this I have gotten the information I have" - be advised that material obtained through original research done on your own, and published nowhere else, is expressly forbidden to be put in articles - see Wikipedia:No original research.

The difference between this CEO and the band member is that the latter has been mentioned in multiple reliable sources, and the latter has not.

Lastly, since you really have not given any reason why the former article is advertising I will remove the tag.

"If I find unrelated yet solid sources and can cite them with my article" - maybe, then we will have to write about him based only on what these sources say. Kimchi.sg 23:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

There is more in this current article than what the sources cited say about this band. So, your statement is purely hypocritical. Also, this article talks more about the band than the particular person, and focuses on the albums released by this band, more than useful information somebody writing about this Matt Holt would want to find here. The article is not only advertising and un-notable, it is also very off topic.

Also, if you respond to a select few of my statements, it is taking what I say out of context. If you choose to reply in that manner, please respond to everything I have mentioned; not just 3 parts of it. Doing so otherwise distorts the true validity of my arguments. At least I can debate this manner appropriately.