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Contents 1 Older comments 2 Where he lives now 3 SOurces 4 What does this mean? 5 Funny 6 Landing on the bridge 7 First Paragraph 8 The Very Nature of the Act 9 WikiProject class rating 10 Air & Space Magazine - good source for editors of this article

[edit] Older comments

he flew from helsinki, finland!

"Rust was arrested immediately by the Soviet authorities"

This statement is inaccurate. Please check news reports from the time. I recall that no one on Red Square quite believed Rust's ridiculous story of flying in from Finland and Germany. People thought he was a comedian or an aerial stunt man, and Rust and the crowd enjoyed some good banter. The attitude of the first authorities to arrive was the same as the crowd's, and they made the arrest only after overcoming their complete disbelief of Rust's story.

Fun fact that I'm not sure is entirely relevant: The early versions of Spectrum Holobyte's version of Pajitnov's 'Tetris' featured an animation of a small plane landing in Red Square, a direct reference to Rust's flight. The Russian Central Committee, upon learning this, was not terribly amused, as they considered Rust's actions terrorism.

[edit] Where he lives now

I have replaced Berlin in 2004 with Hamburg in 2002, as the latter is a fairly reliable source (Indy) the former from a website informed by "Bernard". Rich Farmbrough. 18:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SOurces

This article is poorly sourced, at least two of the three links are authored by Rust, and the third is itself unsourced (may even derive partially from this article). Rich Farmbrough. 19:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What does this mean?

I got this from the Russian Mathias Rust page:

Когда постовой сказал ему о самолёте, дежурный ответил «Ты смотри, чтобы коровы по площади не ходили, а самолёт — хуй с ним!»

My Russian is really bad: I get something like "When the lookout told him about the ariplane, the sentry answered: "You saw that cows didn't walk on the (red) square, but an airplane - penis with him!" It sounds really colourful, maybe someone can translate it better? --Slashme 15:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Fuck the plane, make sure there are no cows walking on the square!". Most likely an urban legend, though, not a real quote... Azov 18:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, that makes much more sense. But you're right, it isn't really a well-sourced comment. --Slashme 14:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Funny

I'ts quite funny that a young German flew in his small Cessna from Helsinki to Moscow having evaded the suppposedly sophisticated and deadly Soviet Air Defences. The people who operated the air Defence system(s) must have been really wasted at the time. If one German in a small Cessna could evade soviet air defences, imagine how easy it would have been for the USAF.

About how he evaded air defences -- that's very simple: he didn't. His plane was consistently tracked at least for half of his flight distance -- to Pskov, that is. At some point he was even escorted by two Soviet fighters, who tried to force him down. However, following scandal with Korean Boeing just about five years before, Soviet ir defence had put the regulation that no aggressive meas should be attempted if plane in question is definitely civilian. So after fighter pilots failed to communicate with him (Rust turned off his radio), they returned to base.

After Pskov his plane disappeared from radars and there is some evidence that he landed somewhere around Staraya Russa. After that his plane was also spotted several times, but was confused with rescue helicopters, working on the site of recent air crash near Torzhok or even domestic trainer plane defying the regulations.--Khathi 14:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Landing on the bridge

People ask why the bridge always pops out -- that's simple. Vasilievsky Spusk, while quite wide, just isn't long enough to land a plane on it, even lighter one like Cessna. But it continues into Moskvoretsky bridge across Moskva river after crossing the embankment, forming a stretch of road long and straight enough to serve as an improvised runway. Read Russian accounts on the landing: they all more or less agree that Rust landed on Moskvoretsky bridge, where was little traffic at the time, then slowed down on Vasilievky Spusk and just taxied into Red Square. --Khathi 18:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hm, interesting! I believe on the pictures that I've seen the plane was between Kremlin and St.Basil's. How did he get there, did he make a turn while driving on Vasilevsky Spusk?.. Would be nice if someone who can dig out the details makes a diagram. Azov 02:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Check this interview. He clearly says that he landed on wide bridge near Red square [1]. -- Zzzzzzzzzz  19:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Paragraph

Is it just me, or does the first paragraph look really...weird. Not very encyclopaedic, IMHO. 35.11.183.95 08:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Very Nature of the Act

Shouldn't the reason why Rust wanted to land a plane in the Kremlin be addressed? Bradley Smith 20:45, 25 December 2006 (UTC)bradley.e.smith

No, not unless we know it. He himself describes his motivation as an attempt to build "world peace" but some psychologist discovered a nasty habit of overestimating his abilities. It was during his (attempted) murder trial and I haven't got a source handy right now. Because of his criminal acts he has a bad reputation as a nutty whackjob over here in Germany. There is no trace of heroism. 87.78.120.194

He really is a flake. His opinions reek of empty-headedness.75.75.110.235 22:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Air & Space Magazine - good source for editors of this article

I added this as a link, but would like to also draw the attention of this article to anyone editing this entry -- Smithsonian's Air & Space magazine has a July 2005 article "The Notorious Flight of Mathias Rust" that seems to me to be one of the most well-written pieces on the event available online, with a great deal of detail about the flight itself, Rust's prior activities, and the repercussions within the Soviet Union. I recommend it to anyone doing work on this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StrangeAttractor (talk • contribs) 15:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)