User talk:Masterhatch

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[edit] Congradulations

Hello Masterhatch, we and countless of other Wikipedians & Internet users have been chosen 2006 Person of the year, by Time magazine. Congradulations. GoodDay 21:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions and non-English characters

Masterhatch, I have come across your comments on discussion pages before, and you always struck me as being quite level-headed, even on topics on which others become quite emotional (e.g., Sea of Japan). Well, I just ran across something new, which was that, apparently (I only skimmed the comments) you have argued for the elimination of non-English diacritical marks in the English Wikipedia. I don't share your passion on this, though I do agree with you. What I am passionate about is the insanity of including non-English characters, especially in the titles of articles. My prime exhibit is the article Franz Josef Strauß, on which I devoted some time arguing a bit over a year ago. I was pretty new at Wik back then (still am, I guess, with probably less than 2000 edits), but it still amazes me that common sense failed to carry the day on that one. I'm guessing that you know that, in English, "Strauß" is usually rendered "Strauss", but—well, look. If you have time, I'd love to have you review that discussion, and if you are willing to enter the subject, I would love to have you spearhead a drive to change Strauß back to Strauss. I don't participate in any kind of Wiki-socializing, perhaps you have others who could bring their weight to bear on this. If FJS had been better known in the US, I doubt that the Anglophobes could have carried this argument. Are you interested? Unschool 03:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I certainly understand your battle fatigue. Frankly, it really stunned me that such things can even be debated, and I agree with you, it is the non-English speakers who are raising the stink. Frankly, I think that anyone whose first language is not English should not have a voice in these matters, but of course, realitically, there's no way to police such a policy.
Your "retirement" is a loss to the community, but of course, many commonsense people have been similarly beaten into withdrawal. I do hope that you'll reconsider fighting the good fight, and if you do, let me know, and I'll work with you to inject some commonsense into the debate. Unschool 06:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
BTW, you stated, "Wikipedia is for the layman and the most recognisable spellings to the layman are to be used. That is wikipedia policy." Can you point me in the direction of such policy? I'm most pathetic at combing through Wikipedia pages on Wikipedia. Unschool 06:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WPP & WPT

Hello, Masterhatch. Thought you might wants to check out my compromise proposals on these two Project pages. I'm still hoping this Diacritic debates/disputes can be resolved. GoodDay 22:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

PS- I hope your retirement is temporary. Return soon. GoodDay 23:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I tried

Hello, Masterhatch. For these last few days (as a New Year's Wikipedia resolution), I (though personally against diacritics, on bio articles) tried to bring about a compromise between Pro-diacritic & Anti-diacritic editors. I've experience acceptance of compromising from (Anti-diacritic editors), however for the most part, I've experienced stubborness from pro-diacritics editors (except Krm500). I started an Rfc at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format (already it's credibility, is questioned). Suggested a new guideline at Wikipedia: Naming conventions (that's already, being disputed). You were right Masterhatch, you were right about too much PoV having consumed (at least) the Diacritics dispute. I was thinking of seeking a Arbitration Commitee ruling, but I'm just fed up with it. I'll tell you this much though, the NHL team articles have had diacritics removed (consensus at Talk: Colorado Avalanche) and I'll support that move, to the end. Let someone else worry about the NHL bio articles. Again, here's hoping you return. Yours truly, a very disillusioned GoodDay 01:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Read your posting here. Well said my fellow Wikipedian, well said. GoodDay 02:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I think Yankees76 is correct. This Diacritics Schism is headed towards an Arbitration Committee Review/Ruling. GoodDay 22:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how Arbitration Committees work, but if there's a way that we can input into their decision, I hope someone lets me know--I am really unhappy about the way that this is going. I don't mind being on the losing end of an argument, I really don't. But I think that this topic has been hijacked by a lot of non-English speakers who, quite frankly, lack the perspective to decide what goes in our Wik. God knows that I would never be so arrogant as to tell the Spanish or German Wiks how to put their articles together. Yes, I know that there are a few people on the pro-ß and pro-Ř sides who are native speakers of English. But they are a minority. If the majority of en-Wik users were cognizant of these issues, the votes would be 900-25 against foreign spellings, every time. Unschool 06:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Masterhatch, do you exchange email with other Wikipedians? I've never done this, but supposedly there' a way to do it. Unschool 22:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
A 'pro-diacritics' editor, seems to be questioning the authority, an AC ruling would have in the 'Diacritics' dispute at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format. Questioning Diacritics is one thing, questioning the Arbitration Committee's authority, is hitting below the belt. GoodDay 20:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid another dispute ended in stalemate (again). As Yankees76 observed, the best 'most common English usage' arguments, will never convince 'pro-diacritic' editors to drop the diacritics from English Wikipedia article titles. GoodDay 22:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waldemar Matuska

Maybe you should be interested in this, please see this link Diacritics dispution. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 15:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vote for Carlsbad/KV

There is a vote in the discussion going, please visit, your point of view and support is appreciated. -- IEEE 04:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rene Lafleur

Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Rene Lafleur, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Oo7565 08:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ice Hockey Project discussion of hockey player notability and project scope

Please come join the WikiProject Ice Hockey Notability standards for hockey players discussion. I'd like to see input from all our project members who have an opinion. Thanks! ColtsScore 23:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dokdo RM poll

Hey, could you participate in a new poll for Dokdo? The candidates include Liancourt Rocks, Takeshima, and the new Takeshima/Dokdo variations suggested by user:Macgruder. I'm informing you because you voted on the last poll. Thanks. (Wikimachine 19:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Goldstein

If it's a hoax, best to tag as {{db-nonsense}}, rather than just {{delete}}. Makes it a bit easier to spot. --Steve (Stephen) talk 05:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Pittsburgh Pirates (NHL) players

Shouldn't the American based hockey teams use the American spellings and the Canadian teams use the Canadian spellings for defenseman, center, and so on? I thought that was the general rule to follow when it came to hockey articles on Wikipedia. --Sparkhurst 22:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Invitation

You discussed the name of Vossstrasse the last time it came up; you may be interested in doing so again. See Talk:Voßstraße#Page_name. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Bobby Lee

Hi, you'll find a reference to his one NHL game on his Legends of Hockey bio. Cheers -- JD554 (talk) 07:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Franz Josef Strauß

27 months ago, when I joined Wikipedia, you, Masterhatch, were one of my role models. Wherever I found your comments on talk pages, it was always thoughtful and well-reasoned (was that redundant? No matter; no one was ever hurt by excessive plaudits).

I know that you've become much less active on Wikipedia. It can grow discouraging, fighting editors who are more concerned about legalistic arguments than building an encyclopedia to help as many people as possible. There have been many times when I've wanted to come to your user page and ask for support on some matter or another, but I've tried to resist it because most of the matters that I become concerned with are likely old hat for you. (As I know this one is.) But this time I think it's truly important to have your input. Could I ask you to take another look at the new discussion going on at Franz Josef Strauß? Just your support would be appreciated; anything more you could provide would be icing on the cake. Thanks. Unschool (talk) 01:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. I really screwed up royally. But I've beaten myself up enough over the past few hours that I can move on to something else. Well, kinda something else. I just wanted to say that you are right, in that point that you made on the talk page for FJS, that what is needed is not restrictions on canvassing, but more canvassing. The more people involved the more likely it is that consensus, once achieved, will be genuine. I'm going to take this issue up, another day. Thanks for participating, and I look forward to working together again in the future [if that isn't totally banned by then :-)].

[edit] NHL team articles

Hello Masterhatch. They've broken me (they being, the pro-diacritics editors) at the Hockey articles. I've revoked my WikiProject: Hockey membership. Because of those control-freaks, I no longer find the hockey articles fun. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

My guess is, the editor who was 'moving' articles to 'diacritic title etc', without discussion, was Darwinek? he's such a communicative fellow. I've proposed a seperation at Wikipedia: Naming conventions (use English) - It's time we have 'two' English Wikipedias - one for the pro-dios & one for the pro-english. The 'group ownership' of English Wikipedia by the pro-dios? is entrenched. GoodDay (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

There's someting else 'pro-dios' must understand. There never was a consensus to use dios on English Wikipedia (as they claim). GoodDay (talk) 18:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
It most certainly was an underhanded 'takeover' by the pro-dios, no question about it. Now that the dios are all over the place & the pro-dios editors are watching? Our chances of removing them grows smaller every month. The pro-dios will never agree to give up their hold. GoodDay (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Ice Hockey March 2008 Newsletter

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WikiProject Ice Hockey Newsletter

Dear Masterhatch! You are receiving as you are a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey There's been many more new things going on at WP:HOCKEY, and I think this will help you to stay informed. Since the last newsletter sent out in October, there have been many new changes. I'm hoping to make this newsletter a bit more regular; Kaiser matias and Skudrafan1 asked for a new issue a week ago, but sadly, I've been a bit lazy and committed to other things hence this other delay. --Maxim(talk)

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New recognized content

Wayne Gretzky; this picture is featured

By Maxim
There has been numerous new recognized content, so much that it's too time-consuming to sift through the "trophy cases" on WP:HOCKEY. Some interesting achievements:

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Task forces

By Maxim

There was a new taskforce created within the WikiProject to deal with topics related to the Boston Bruins. It was originally founded as a separate WikiProject, but was quickly turned into a taskforce within WikiProject Ice Hockey. The list of participants is located here. Located at WP:BRUINS, the taskforce's goals are to make Boston Bruins and Bobby Orr featured articles. Good luck!

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New Administrators

By Maxim
Since October, there have been three new admins promoted within the project:

A previously admin-only feature has been made available for all users. The rollback feature allows a user to quickly revert vandalism with one click. If you wish to have rollback, contact an active admin or post a request to WP:RFR.

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Featured Topic Drive

By Maxim

The original featured topic drive, initiated by Scorpion0422, has concluded succesfully. National Hockey League awards is now a featured topic, with 24 articles in total. Of them, 20 are featured lists, one is a featured article, and the other three are trophy articles that were too short to become featured lists. Eight users signed up to help out, shown here. The next Featured Topic hasn't been decided upon, and the ideas and organization for it fell apart. If you have any ideas, don't hesitate to share them at WT:HOCKEY.

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Notes

  • More editors are needed to help out with the newsletter. Maxim doesn't have an infinite nor perfect supply of ideas, and thus he might omit some interesting news.
  • Portal:Ice hockey is being considered for featured status. Feel free to nominate features at Portal:Ice hockey/Suggestions.
  • Should Chris Pronger have been suspended for more than eight games for stomping on Ryan Kesler? Vote here!

Note: You have received this because your name is on Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Newsletter/List. If you no longer wish to receive this message, remove your name. MonoBot (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Idiotic reverts

If you're going to persist in making idotic reverts, perhaps you'd at least check what it is you're reverting? Or maybe you think "Matti Javentie" is the proper, North American, apple pie spelling of Martti Järventie? Kindly don't revert edits to restore typos. Elrith (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Are you drunk? You have just, for the second time, changed "Martti Jarventie" to "Matti Javentie". Are you now opposed to the letter "r" in last names? Elrith (talk) 23:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I see that Elrith is being polite again. GoodDay (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Miami Screaming Eagles

I found this photo of a press kit for a proposed Miami Screaming Eagles uniform that was listed on Ebay....could it be added to the Blazers wiki page?

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/coliseum74/miami_screaming_eagles.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robpas (talk • contribs) 19:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)