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Okami article

I was wondering where the {{toomuchtrivia}} tag disappeared to, with the game references sorted into a separate section. It is still technically trivia though, i.e. interesting but not important to the article. In which case WP:LC may apply. --Stratadrake 05:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Katamari Damacy

Why on earth isn't "roll-'em-up" a genre? Is "third-person action" really more descriptive of the game?

Resistance: Fall of Man X-Ray agents

I've added info on the talk page. Please see it, and let me know what you think.

Apprentice 6 article

Thanks for your good work already on The Apprentice article. There are a couple of editors who confuse their point of view about what happened on the show with verifiable things like why someone was fired, etc. My time on Wikipedia has been limited lately, and I don't have the mental energy to go to war this season, BUT if you ever need any backup please let me know. Also, you might want to consider putting something on your user page. Even if it's something simple like "This is my user page". That will change your name on people's watchlists from red to normal / someone that's been here before.

If you ever have any questions about wikipedia, don't hesitate to ask. --Sue Anne 02:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Completely understand on the neutrality the articles have to take (reality TV, it's easy to try to show favoritism or dislike of a person). Also, I did at least add some userboxes to my page to de-redlink it. --Masem 16:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Ange Tonegawa/Angie Thompson of Trauma Center

By the way, her name is romanized in English as "Ange Tonegawa", while it would be conventionally romanized as "Tonegawa Anju" WhisperToMe 23:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

J.P. Calderon

Hi, an article for Survivor: Cook Islands contestant J.P. Calderon is up for afd. Your opinions on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Scorpion 06:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Amazing Race 9

I have reverted your revert to my edition to Amazing Race 9. I watched the end of Leg 3 this morning and as Eric and Jeremy arrived at the Pit Stop in Munich, Germany Phil told them that as they had the Travelocity Gnome they won the trip. If you don't belive me I suggest you watch the episode. Jsp3970 16:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I stand corrected; I could have sworn that E/J got the prize for being first and there was no mention of the gnome, but going back through forums on TWOP I see that it was along the lines of Phil saying "E/J you are first. And I see you brought your gnome. You win a trip.. ", but he didn't explicitly say "because you brought a gnome to the pit stop first, you win a trip", which lead to a lot of confusion if the gnome was connected to the trip. However, the CBS recap confirms that the first across the line with the gnome won the trip. --Masem 16:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou for finding the reference. I was going through the net trying to fing something that supported what Phil said on the show. Jsp3970 17:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


PW/GS Canon

Ema reappears. But in GS2, they clearly say that after his trial, Edgeworth never set foot in a court again.
That's the point every one seems to want to be picky about, but given that 1) they wrote out PW1-3 in Japanese, 2) wrote case for PW1's DS release, 3) localized PW1 prior to starting to bring out PW2 for the DS, and finally, 4) wrote a new PW4, there's bound to be some continuity errors either from the original writing or from localization, particularly if they didn't know the plot of PW2 at the time. --Masem 13:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Very good point. I guess it's best to chalk it up to translation and localization.BuyAMountain 12:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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What was wrong with Armor sets in Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters?

I added the armor section then you deleted it. I want to know why. I read your reason and reread over Wikipedia's stance on the subject. In my mind when I go to Wikipedia to look something up I find information, especially that. I don't see what's wrong with it since it could easily be thought of as cannon relating to the Ratchet and Clank story line.--David McLaren 00:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

It's more specific for video games: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines and related discussion around that WP project has discouraged all "Lists of X" save for characters, with only some notable excepts. Basically, WP is not a Game Guide, which would be what the list of armor would fall under. --Masem 00:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The Apprentice UK

Image:Fired!.png Hello, Masem/Archive 1. Are you a fan of The Apprentice UK? I'd like to invite you to become a part of WikiProject The Apprentice UK, a WikiProject aiming to improve coverage of The Apprentice UK and related articles on Wikipedia.

If you would like to help out and participate, please come over and visit us here for more information. Thanks! Dalejenkins 08:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Survivor: Fiji#Episode 6 Tribe

I thought I should make you aware of my reply there. Deleting information because it's a spoiler is most definitely against wikipedia policy. Please don't do it. Nil Einne 19:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Survivor occupations

I'm sorry to say this, but why are you deleting Survivor occupations? There appears to be an inconsistency for this. For a while, I've keep adding the occupations in Cook Islands and you remove it. Wasn't there an agreement earlier? Also, how come Fiji and Guatemala have theirs on? Are you being unfair to sites and concealing information or something? Please let me know because I really don't get your point in this.

Willbender 08:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Portmanteau

In the Survivor article, you put "treemail" is a portmanteau of "tree" and "e-mail". Isn't it more likely a portmanteaur of "tree" and "mail"? (please reply below) --TeckWiz is now R ParlateContribs@(Let's go Yankees!) 23:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

True, it could be that, with the resulting word phonically similar to "email"; as "treemail" came from the survivors themselves and has latched on since, the initial derivation is unknown, just that it's "tree" + ("email" or "mail"). I'll make a change to note that it could be either. --Masem 23:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Future Race Spoilers

In this diff, you reverted a user added future race spoilers. The user made a point in that edit, with an HTML comment saying that the episode aired already, so it's not a spoiler. I kind of agree. I've seen you revert this many times. Why is it a spoiler? It's already aired. If we tagged every article that spoiled something, it would probably be at least 100,000 articles. --TeckWiz is now R ParlateContribs@(Let's go Yankees!) 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There was discussion on this I think on the TAR11 pages, can't remember offhand. I know that WP doesn't work on tape delay, but the way the discussion came out and how I see it, given that each blurb about what racers were selected in TAR11, the user is one click away from knowing the results of the race; this way, the earlier race page can remain free of TAR11 spoilers while revealing everything about that earlier race, though nothing prevents the user from finding this out should they click further. --Masem 14:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Gyakuten Saiban 5

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Gyakuten Saiban 5, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. --Guess Who 23:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Non-free images removed from your user page

Hello, Masem. I've removed some images from User:Masem/TAR11Test, as they are copyrighted images that are not available under a sufficiently free license and are therefore being used on Wikipedia under claims of fair use. Unfortunately, by Wikipedia policies, no non-free images can be used on user pages; please see the ninth item of the Wikipedia non-free content policy and Wikipedia:Removal of fair use images. These images have not been deleted from any articles. If you have any questions, please let me know. —Bkell (talk) 06:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Also User:Masem/TAR11Test2. —Bkell (talk) 06:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Animaniacs image

Masem,
The Animaniacs image in the infobox, Animaniacs.jpg, has neither a fair use rationale nor a source, and I need to have it replaced because of wiki policy. Because I don't want to go chaniging images without anyone's consent, I'd appreciate it if you gave your opinion on this issue on the Animaniacs discussion page at your earliest convienience. Thank you very much,
-- Gak Blimby 08 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy response! Much appreciated!-- Gak Blimby 09 June 2007 (UTC)

Animaniacs for Good Article status

Masem,
Thanks for your contribution on a previous Animaniacs issue. Now however, I believe that the Animaniacs article is now ready to undergo the process for Wikipedia's Good Article Nomination. If you have any concerns about the article's quality, please write it in the Animaniacs Talk Page at your earliest convienience. Thanks very much, ---- Gak Blimby 09 June 2007 (UTC)

GOOD NEWS! ANIMANIACS JUST GOT LISTED! WOO! Gak Blimby 03:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Dead rising

hello this is Zorx12 regarding you deleting my list of dead rising weapons plese do not delete it again Zorx12 03:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Content that may be moved to gaming wikis:

Hello this is Zorx12 regarding Content that may be moved to gaming wikis:

Lists of mere statistics, items, or other minutiae. So it is considered inportent. From Zorx12Zorx12 22:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Survivor contestants

I have made a List of Survivor contestants, which I intend to just be a straightforward list of Survivor participants, which I felt there was a need for. It will not be individual bios or anything and I fully intend to convert it to chart form and possibly get it to FL status as soon as I can, which I am working on at this page. If you have any comments about this page or would like to help me with improving it, please let me know. Thanks for the time, Scorpion0422 23:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeopardy! in popular culture

...is up for AfD again. Robert K S 02:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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Freakazoid tv show

I added links for voting for the tv show on certain available websites. I am in no way affiliated with these websites or the original production team for Freakazoid show, I just want to make the ability for fans to vote to be known by anyone who liked the show. I was considering making a seperate section in the links section for these ind of links, would this be a more appropriate way to add this to the page. Wadewilson748 02:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Even without being affiliated with the sites, links such as this aren't appropriate for Wikipedia which is meant to be a reference guide and not a general link warehouse. If there was a verifiable source that stated that a lot of people are trying to revive Freakazoid, that would be usable, but if it's just links to voting sites, it's not. --Masem 19:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Speedy-Deletion

In honesty, Im guessing you didn't read the rules or what it takes for a speedy deletion, Web Comic is one of them. Please do understand that it falls under the catagory of a speedy deletion. Thank you.Ripster40 03:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

You should take your request to WP:AN/I ... this seems to go deeper than the usual vandalism. Daniel Case 03:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha, done, and thanks. --Masem 03:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Trivia addition on Back to the Future

Regarding this and your comment on my talk page, I see your point and I will remove the section I added. Thanks for the explanation.Rblaster 18:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Gears of War

I know that there are not many sources for the following, but primarily in the Gameplay, Story and Multiplayer sections. I know that it would be hard to find refs for this, so thats why I didnt let this OR ruin the article's chances of GA. Thanks, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 21:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

White & Nerdy

I left the geek chic reference off the description. I cannot understand how you can think Harry Potter discussion is relevant to this page but geek chi is not. I'm more focused on the Harry Potter thing here. People can go to the Harry Pottr pages if they wish to read about Harry Potter.--Dr who1975 02:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't be so harsh on yourself

Indeed, you strike me as one who would accomplish so much more than 272 items in a year's time. ;) Take care — Gosgood 22:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

GA Medal of Merit from WP:UCGA

The Good Article Medal of Merit 
On behalf of the Uncategorized Good articles task force, I award Masem this medal for the hundreds of articles categorized in order to help eliminate the backlog at Category:Uncategorized good articles. Many thanks, Lara♥Love 02:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Computational chemistry

Thanks for your comments on the talk page of that article. I think it became classified as a good article before I started edited WP at the end of October, 2005. I certainly did not think it was that good at that time, but thanks to several people it has become a lot better. I have been intending to put it forward for a GA re-view, but have not got around to it. Could you give us any suggestions about what does need to be fixed up? Thanks. --Bduke 07:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

For some, take a look at what some of the other editors have said over at Good Article Review. You do need a lot more in-line references (doesn't have to be new references if the existing ones adequately state the necessary details, use the (ref name="") tags to repeat them, but you do need more); make sure to properly format references using the correct WP:CITET; the article structure is a bit in question - I think you can move History to be the first section, and then have "Concept" (your current "Introduction"), "Methods" (which covers most of the rest of the article) and "Computer software". I'd also look at other articles in the Physics and Astronomy section of WP:GA to compare against. You also could probably do easily with one or two more pictures to help enhance the understanding of the article - make sure that that tone is written for general understanding (which mostly seems to be there) which pictures can be used to help significantly. --Masem 13:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks. I have copied this over to Talk:Computational chemistry. I'm sure your ideas will be helpful, but I can not think of a single photograph that would help the article. --Bduke 22:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Endgame tablebase - everyday life

I saw that you gave the Endgame tablebase article something about "everyday life" in the GA tag. Althogh I think it is a great article, I don't think that it is something that the casual person would be interested in in everyday life. It is a pretty technical subject tht mainly appeals to only certain chess enthusiasts. What do you think? Bubba73 (talk), 20:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Correcting your GA noms

Just a note: often the oldid is there, but lacking oldid= [1] [2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


Image copyright problem with Image:Okami-brush.jpg

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Okami improvements

Thank you for jumpstarting some much-needed improvements on the Okami article. Many of the unsourced statements are true and easy enough to find using a search engine. That first one, though, saying that Hideki Kamiya had major Zelda influence in creating this game, is giving me trouble. I'd dismiss the whole statement. However, I did find an interview where he states that The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is one of his major inspirations, but not necessarily for Okami. What do you think? ~ Hibana 00:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where that came from; I'd rather remove it if no link can be found easily. (And thanks for the support!) --Masem 01:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Kamil Idris

Hello. You have added a clean-up tag on this article. But... what should be cleaned-up? Cheers. --Edcolins 00:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe was too fast on the cleanup tag, I thought there was more for living bios per WP:BLP, but it seems fine by that. However, the article was definitely NOT a stub anymore, and that was the main purpose of the edit. --Masem 00:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for removing the stub tag. I somewhat forgot to remove it after expanding the article... --Edcolins 14:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

A question

While I have few reservations about freaking out in private when it's necessary, it's best done only after verifying a good reason to do so. I'm sure you understand. Since you're more acquainted with the fiction notability policy (namely, at all), please tell me: do we stand to lose the bulk of our articles on fictional subjects, and even if they're merged, lose what content isn't? --Kizor 01:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

A strict reading of the new policy does, in fact, suggest that most of the lengthy articles on solitary fictional characters, things, and locations, are going fail in the notability for fictional works, basically because to try to find reliable, verifiable sources outside their fictional universe is going to be near impossible. --Masem 01:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

BioShock

Thanks for fixing the article. It's been bugging me but I wasn't sure how to approach it. BURNyA 19:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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RE: Guitar Hero 80's GA

Ah. Serves me right, I didn't see the link. While if you wanted to put the songs back in, as they are obviously a shorter list, they are probably fine where they are. Strike that objection from the hold status. David Fuchs (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

GH3 International Songs

Should the songs be separated from the main set list on the page? Look at the GH3 Talk page. Ultrabasurero 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


BioShock edit

As I stated on the reply that did not show up in the talk section for BioShock (since I think I've been blocked from even editing the talk section), there is precedent for the type of wording that I used. It is found on every single article for a successful game - take half life 2 for instance. The words "overwhelmingly positive acclaim" and "universal acclaim" can be found everywhere in the reception section. They are not weasel words and should not be treated as such. Maybe you would like to try removing those statements and see how fast your edits get reverted? While this is an encyclopedic site and editors should follow suit, there is no reason encyclopedic data, as long as it is sourced and does not violate NPOV, should not be able to describe something that stands out of the crowd as exactly that - something abnormally successful and well received. Hypothetically, you would not call something that IS absolutely perfect in every way possible merely "well received by critics." It is not properly descriptive.

I do agree with what you said about the word "perfect," that did not belong in my statement and you took the right approach by bringing the issue to the talk section. So, that being said, maybe you would like to take a look at some examples and fix things up properly, rather than Parjay's approach of tearing my edits down immediately without directing me to the talk section or giving me any direct contact. I'm fairly certain he violated the 3RR rule as well rather than simply asking me to take it to talk or elsewhere, and therefor whatever admin blocked me is not following the rules, since wikipedia says any two people involved in a reversion war should be treated equally. I had no idea what I was doing wrong, not enough experience with wikipedia unfortunately.

Pyrogenix 14:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

rather than Parjay's approach of tearing my edits down immediately without directing me to the talk section or giving me any direct contact. And why? Because you seemed very versed with wiki policies, almost all of your edit summaries contained enlightments such as read up wiki policies and you cited and linked nearly every policy on wiki. One would not get the impression you didn't know what you were doing considering that. You also got a wealth of contact in my summaries. Playing innocent will get you nowhere. Parjay ► Talk 14:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


My point is that the game has been out for less than a week in the states, less than that in other regions; it is too early to make an assessment like "universal acclaim" (eg Metacritic has 42 reviews for BioShock, but 81 for HL2 , 87 for Gears of War -- we're only halfway there at this point). I know you're including the words "to date" in what you're adding, but I personally think it's jumping the gun a bit too much. That's why I noted in the talk page that I think if you give it a month to accumulate the ratings from both online and print sources (which may reflect some of the issues that cropped up post-release), and it's still above a 95% rating, then sure "universal acclaim" is quite valid. (While "Universal" isn't a cut-and-dried weasel word, it can be taken the wrong way if used incorrectly, as it does approach WP:Peacock terms, so application really needs to be appropriate). --Masem 15:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


Playing innocent about what? I read up on the policies when accused of breaking them and didn't see anything wrong with what I did. I also saw that everything I was doing was acceptable by viewing precedent. Anyway, this was handled poorly and all there is now is to hope I get unblocked in the next 24 hours :P

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These edits refer: Diff 1, Diff 2, and Diff 3.

I did not mean we should stop discussing it, but it might have helped if you linked Category:Lists of Pokémon.

With lists I meant those that can meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Featured list criteria. Specifically "Comprehensive". List of Pokémon is. List of Pokémon (1-20) can never be—it is already limited by the name. In the same way: Episodes of show can be comprehensive, as can Season X of show, but Episodes 1 - 20 of show cannot be comprehensive. I guess it is a matter of an arbitrary criteria for the list versus a given, external, criteria.

But we can discuss that later. (I will watch this page for a while, if you wish to discuss it.)

Sincerely, G.A.S 15:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


Gotcha, I understand what you mean; my concern is that we then need to make sure the guidelines identifies comprehensive lists as valid that people don't jump and make a "List of characters in X" just because (with "X" being a non-notable topic), with the reasoning "There's a list of Pokemon, why can't there be a list of X?" It's a point to add to the guideline we're developing, so it's just something to consider. --Masem 16:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for explaining about the BioShock/sysreqs article - I don't think I've come across a transcluded page before. Can it be categorised? (I came across it in Category:Uncategorized_from_September_2007) --Kateshortforbob 11:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I put some categories in, hopefully that clears it off the list. --Masem 13:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Made the same mistake myself when an anon added PC to the GHIII article, then caught the news about that in an RSS feed. --Masem 04:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, that makes sense (BioShock)

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I understand removing the "Competition" section, but what was wrong with posting the IGN score? It was just a statement of fact... Fallaway6554 15:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As I remember it, it basically said what the score from IGN was, that it was "fantastic", and currently has the best score to date from IGN. Given how large the reception section is right now, if you want to include the IGN there needs to be something from the review that is more substantially different from the other cited reviews to make it worth including, as the score itself is included via the table. The aspect of the score being IGN's best ever is something trivial, likely this will be trumped by its end of the year GotY awards where it will be clear that IGN likes the game. Its not so much this isn't a valid citation or the like, but we are showing a bit too much bias to the game presently. --Masem 15:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks, Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 23:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

- In response to the message you left me about the new downloadable International tracks for the 360 version: No, I actually haven't seen any announcements from any major sources (IGN, 1UP, etc.)...Yet. Minor sites & various blogs have noted them, though, & videos of them are online via sites such as GameTrailers. They have just been released today, of course, so it may be a few hours at least until an official announcement of sorts is made. Nonetheless, all are online & ready for download.

As for localization...Well, I'm in Canada, so I can't speak for those of you down south. But I would assume if tracks from three countries are aviliable for one North American country, The U.S. has them as well. If not, then the article can be altered.

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Sorry to revert your edit but I did spend a lot of time compacting the plot description so we could lose the "too large" tag. A lot of stuff which is in the plot description could be moved to, e.g. list of characters, such as Luke Perry in the "cameos" section. I already took a lot of stuff out such as the unnecessary references to Korben's mother's phone calls, which add nothing to the plot. I'm not bitching here but the description should not just be a rehash of the action of the movie otherwise there would be no point anyone watching it. Neither should it contain info which might be better put elsewhere. Hope that helps. --Rodhullandemu 02:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Got your message; I think we're both working to the same goal but maybe from different directions. All I want is for 5E to be a great article, beyond criticism, and it needs some work. --Rodhullandemu 02:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Yea, cross-talk message there. I see where you're coming from with the cameos, and the contest stuff is iffy, but I think the rest of the changes I made were mostly to clean up word choices and add appropriate wikilinks. I'll revert it but without some of those things. --Masem 03:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I've just seen your latest update, and although it's 04:45 here and I really should be getting some sleep, I really do not understand what you're doing. I don't want to get into an edit war with you but when it comes to economy of words, I don't see that anything you have added back in is necessary. You are not writing a description of the plot for a blind person. To enclose a year in [[]], for example, is pointless. Changing "assisted by" to "with the assistance of" is pointless. Putting [[]] round "reporter" and "priest" is pointless. "when planets are in alignment" is minor detail which anyone watching the film will pick up on. I'd go on, but I don't want to annoy you, but fear I might have. I'll just say that I believe in the best an article can be, but not [WP:OWN]. You do what you want to, but please leave me to improve still further, where possible. Boing! Time for bed. --Rodhullandemu 03:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't want edit war, and maybe some of the language choices are a bit off. However, I keep in mind that we're written the plot to someone that may never see the movie, so that only reason I added the planet alignment is that it comes up a bit later, but though it could be removed. Also, I think wikilink 1914 is important only to provide context for the war; but maybe second date could. But at the level of detail the plot is actually at, I do agree that its exactly has what it needs, it's only wordsmithing beyond that. --Masem 04:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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I agree, up to a point. To someone who may never see the movie, well, why would they bother ploughing through the mass of detail that is there now? The only reason I can imagine that someone would come to the WP page is to find out in broad terms what it's all about, with wanting to have the whole thing spoilt for them. I'm also looking further ahead than that. When you and I are both dead, the digital form of this, and other movies, will still be around. Which means that people will look at them, and see them as perhaps historical or quaint, in the same way that perhaps you and I now see the music of Buddy Holly, Bill Haley or Elvis Presley. The difference is that they will be able to look at the digital movie and in a different way, and the current plot synopsis should not assume any particular value system, as it currently does. That's only one reason why it should be as terse as possible. WP's an encyclopedia, not a parrot. Hope that helps. --Rodhullandemu 04:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for your contributions to the Animaniacs article. I have just nominated the article for featured article candidacy, so if you want to express any concern about the article's quality, please do so here. Thanks again, Gak Blimby 19:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't input on the FAC but I can certainly help with any issues they may bring up if you don't get to them first. I don't think it shold have a problem. --MASEM 19:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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Why would a Wiki interview with a band that made their name through this game, and who is mentioned in an article about a list of songs, not be appropriate on that article as a see also?--David Shankbone 04:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

It's a fine distinction, but here's how I see it. The way we've got things laid out in the articles, the individual game pages are directly about the game and game development only while the series pages is for the influence of the overall series. In the case of Bang Camaro I would argue that not only is their article better suited for inclusion on the series page, there's value in actually adding a section about groups that were featured in the games getting fame and recognition through it, so you can do more than just link that article, you can add more there. Now, if I consider that same approach as for how to add a section about Bang Camaro to either the GHII or the list of songs, it really doesn't work out or fit in to what's already. In eccense, the news article you're bring in fits right at home on the series page but is out of place on the other pages because it is exclusively about the game itself. --MASEM 04:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll accept that argument, especially since you seem to know more about the subject than I do. I put it on the page you suggested; unfortunately, I have five interviews I have recently done that I have yet to transcribe, so I can't really expand sections, although if someone else does there's a lot of information about guitar hero fans being their base, and observing that they know the notes when they air guitar. Thanks for the explanation. --David Shankbone 13:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Your GA consideration for planet

I was wondering whether you had decided to pass it. Thanks. Serendipodous 13:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I will check back later today (RL calls), msg me again if I don't get back in about 16-24hrs. --MASEM 13:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Masem; when you pass a GA, if you can, please scroll to the bottom of the page and make sure the red error category for ArticleHistory isn't highlighted. I corrected the articlehistory at Talk:Planet to remove it from the error cat. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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Check the "L" section. Sorry if I did anything wrong. Kaktibhar 20:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I'm a newbie, and even though I edited via my IP for a month or so, I never made edits like that before. Please don't completely delete it. Kaktibhar 20:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not deleting the page, but I am suggesting that we open it up for discussion to the other users. A request for a new page should not replace existing pages without checking that information first. --MASEM 20:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
By the way, how do you get those userboxes on your userpage? Kaktibhar 00:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
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Portal

I dosagree completely; I think we need spoiler tags as the article clearly outlines significant plot details that can be considered spoilers.

"Synopsis" carries the warning spoiler implicitly.
Also, the picture cuts out Chell's leg braces which are described in the gameplay/story section, those really need to be shown. --MASEM 02:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hi. This recently passed GA, and since you are a key contributor to this article, I thought I'd let you know. In reagrds to FA - I really think that this is ready, despite your concerns about the GotY awards. Stability is defined as such in the FA criteria: "Stable" means that the article is not the subject of ongoing edit wars and that its content does not change significantly from day to day. The article's content is stable, apart from that opne event that might get three sentences max of mention. What do you think? -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 08:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

One thing that caught my eye is that the references are not yet all fully correct (each should, at minimum, have an accessdate on them, which I can tell many don't, but I haven't checked to see what other problems might be there). This is generally meant to be caught in GA, though can be missed if there's a lot, so its understandable, but also fixable (though a PITA, as I found when doing Gears of War, which is why I know now to always always always use the citation templates from the start). There's something that tells me there may be more than just a handful of corrections that need to be done if you do go FAC, unfortunately, I can't place my finger on what I think those will be - just that something feels off about it. --MASEM 13:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure about the accessdate thing, because it would take an extremely long time finding every single unaccessdated ref, matching it with every diff, and then fixing every instance of non-accessdate. I'm not sure that's a huge problem anyway. I will give it another once over, but, really, if you can't put your finger on the problem, there might very well be no problems, if you know what I mean. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 20:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Its simpler than that: if the ref lacks it, click the link and make sure the article exists and does what it's supposedly citing. If so, the accessdate is today (or the day you do this check). --MASEM 20:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahh, good point. So be it. I will check all the refs tomorrow, properly cite them, and then FAC. Regards, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's at FAC. We have 2 supports, and 1 oppose. If possible, any help addressing these concerns would be enormously appreciated. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 22:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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The problems mentioned on the FAC are minor; currently we have 4 supports and 1 oppose. If you could help addresss some of the issues, I could not express how thankful I would be, as it is kind of swamping me. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 22:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to do a couple things with respect to the MOS issues and the invisi comments left by some editor to better refine the gameplay section. There's two things that looks like its left from the oppose. First we still have the ref consistency problem which itself leads to reliable sources as the one opposer has mentioned. I can do this, but I need to wait until it looks like the article's stable (100+refs to run through is methodical, I'll probably use AWB to make it faster). The other issue is the language and general copyedit. My suggestion, as fresh eyes help, is to put a call over at WP:VG 's talk page to ask for a couple. --MASEM 00:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I started to work through some of the references in the gameplay section but I see where that guy is coming from in the FAC review. Most of the sites cited in the gameplay section are not reliable. It is much MUCH better to cite the big names in gaming (IGN, 1up, and the like) or even better, the game manual, to describe the gameplay elements. The same is likely going to apply to the reception areas, we don't want to be going too far off major gaming sources to back this up. I know we're trying to find support for the more literary aspects of the game (the Yale review has this) but I would see if the article could stand without it, or if you can find a more esoteric source (like NYTimes or other such papers) to replace it. --MASEM 05:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Couple more notes in case you catch this while I'm still working on references. the cite web "date" field should be YYYY-MM-DD whenever possible and wikilinked (this is not done automatically); you can also just use "accessdate" instead of the split fields, and it should be formatted the same way (YYYY-MM-DD), but it will automagically be linked for you. (You know exactly when you accessed a web site, but you may not always have the complete date of publishing). I'm now working from the bottom up on those refs and looking for anything out of place. --MASEM 14:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Guitar Hero II song list article - vandalism

Thank you for reverting edits identified as vandalism in List of songs in Guitar Hero II, which seems to be happening a lot in the past few days. With that in mind, may I suggest that the article be protected for now? lightsup55 01:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Got about 3 days semiprot for the article through WP:RPP -- also saw the heads up on XBL so thanks :-) --MASEM 14:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me?

Are you the one responsible for this "sock puppet" bs? Look, I don't know wtf is going on, but I would like for you to leave me alone. I have had several people vandalize my profile so I suggest you turn your nose in that direction.

And if this continues, I'm reporting you to the admin for harassment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V-Dash (talk • contribs) 22:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Please note that it looks like sockpuppetry but I have seen that your account appears to be vandalized as well (I've listed those people in the case in case that is significant). If this other user is not yours, then there's a different case in your favor to take to the admins to work on getting these people to stop harassing you. --MASEM 22:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

re. Just a note on GA passing

Whilst I agree that the version I passed wasn't perfect in referencing, I couldn't see any glaring discrepancies that were worthy enough to place it on hold. I'm a bit more lax than some other GA reviewers, I guess - I'll only place an article on hold if there are a lot of refs which simply contain a URL, and nothing else. This wasn't the case. Nonetheless, I see your point, and will keep an eye on this in the future. Cheers, — H2O —  08:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Image widths

The thing is that someone on the FAC said that all fairuse images should be under 300px.... -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 06:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That would be the actual image (eg click on the thumb to get to the image page) that needs to be under 300px, not how it appears on the page.
Which means since I think I uploaded all those images, I better get to reducing them... will note here and on FAC about that in a bit. --MASEM 06:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
And now they are fixed (and fixed one broken rationale too). --MASEM 06:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Ah. See, a demonstration of my zero knowledge of images :) -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 07:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Guitar Hero II - Ready for FAC?

I've done quite a bit of work on the article in the past, as I see you have, and I think that at this point there is little more that can be done to make it better enough that, were it not FA-ready now, it could be later. Thoughts/ideas as to what needs to be done, or do you also think it's ready? --tennisman 16:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I must be mistaken as to how the FA process works. I thought that the article had to go to FAC in its category, where its level would be graded. Is there another way this works, or am I utterly lost here? --tennisman 16:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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Bioshock

You seem to be the one doing most of the work on this article. I copy-edited it a while ago and left some queries/suggestions in HTML comments, some of which have been addressed and others which you may have missed. You can see the comments highlighted in the diff here (or just search for <!-- in the edit box). Another editor dropped me a note with some ridiculous justification for removing the hidden comments, so I thought I'd let you know before another zealot passed by in case you want to act on them.

I've just seen your comment on the talk page about the latest addition. As far as I can see, the massive controversy it supposedly caused isn't cited. The posts are cited, and there are about six people commenting on it on one of the forums which is used as a source. I suspect the vast majority of people who purchased the game wouldn't know a thing about it. It might be being giving undue weight to the incident unless some evidence of the public outcry can be cited. I wouldn't say it was pushing a point of view, but it certainly looks too detailed even if the controversy is real. Who cares what the guy's username was? The whole thing can be dealt with in two sentences (at most) rather than a paragraph. Andplus 17:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

You seem to have got the PC/XBox review one: I wasn't clear whether the 11th place was overall or for both the PC and XBox; it appears it was just coincidence that it ended in 11th place on both. There are still a couple of points I think could do with clearing up:
  • You changed "goal" to "location" here: Atlas says his wife and child have been hiding on a submarine, and just as they reach the location, but it doesn't really help; we still don't know what the location is. Is it Atlas' location? Jack's location? Rapture? Somewhere else? Perhaps: and just as they are about to reach safety would work.
  • The comment that was removed was concerning Both games also have a focus on play choice and emergent gameplay. This means little or nothing to the general reader, and could perhaps be reworded (or "play choice" and "emergent gameplay" linked). Andplus 11:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
That's much better. The note is a little confusing, I'll admit; I commented out as well as the graphics being slightly better with higher resolutions as it was simply repeating IGN noted that...[the] graphics of the Xbox 360 version are inferior to those of the PC version from earlier in the sentence. You expanded on the control difficulties well, but reiterating the graphic failings seemed extraneous.
One more thing: there is a sentence near the end of the Story section that ends, ...becoming an inhuman monster that resembles the famous bronze statue of Atlas.. It was added by a user as their only edit since four made in May. I suggest you remove it unless there is something to back it up. I can think of a famous marble statue of Atlas: the "Farnese Atlas", which is probably the archetype for statues of Atlas, but I'm not familiar with any bronze ones that rise to the same level and, unless he transforms into a naked man with a globe on his shoulders, I doubt the comparison holds. Andplus 14:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Amazing Race 12

Well, I did cite a source but when I saved, the references list got erased (sorry about that)and I don't know what happened. Can you walk me through adding new references to the reference list and citing facts using the source I added so it won't happen again??? 69.181.230.137 03:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

you'll have to remind me of what you were trying to add and what the reference is, but I'll see what I can do. --MASEM 03:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

What i was trying to add

I was trying to add Leg 3 info and I tried to cite the website boardreader.com/tp/Burkina+Faso.html. Btw what do I do if adding info as I watch an episode??? 69.181.230.137 05:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that site itself is really not a good reference: we do require reliable sources which forums and blogs typically do not qualify as. Given that the episode will be assured in a few days, it's better to wait on such information. --MASEM 06:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The Darkness

Hi Masem, Wazap's credibility as a notable review source has been established with international credibility and therefore, is a notable review source. -- Jameslionelprice (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ratatouille

Please see Talk:Ratatouille (film)#Non-english regarding the reversion. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

BioShock

Well done! We've done it. Thanks for your contributions. Regards, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 21:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


Assassin's Creed

I know what you mean, but we should add a section explaining the writings on the wall, because i mainly believe many people wish to come online on wiki to find out more about this. Don't you think if you had played the game, the synopsis would be more of a clarification, while an explanation of the writings may shed some light upon the writings? Nevertheless, perhaps we could create a new section for it.--Nighthawkzx (talk) 03:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a game guide - we can tell what the plot is, but we should not be going into every detail and we certainly cannot go into speculation on what the events mean. Now, if you can find a interview or reliable source that states how the ending can be interpretated, we can go ahead an add it. --MASEM 04:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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