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Myth Section

I feel we should put a section in about the myths about masturbation. I hear so many myths from the internet and from a lot of friends that I would like a section of "These are some common myths, all of which are false" or something like that. I feel that it would be good if we could dispel the false fear that these myths have invoked in many people. Aguy666 01:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Aetherealize (talk) 10:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Hairy palms, going blind, what else? 24.108.208.160 (talk) 05:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

POV

If this article is neutral, than Britain was neutral in WWIIErik the Red 2 01:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Erik the Red 2

Would you care to be a little more explicit as to where you see a problem? The Wednesday Island 02:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Judging from his previous comments, his objection is likely along the lines of "yikes, some kid might see this", which is adequately addressed by WP:CENSOR, or "masturbation is intrinsically bad, and this article doesn't reflect that", which is similarly addressed by WP:NPOV. If I'm not right about this, I hope Erik can forgive me for misjudging his objections and explain what the blatant POV issues are supposed to be. Zuiram 02:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not censored, but also is not a porn page. Thuis article promotes the view that masturbation is a good thing that everyone should do once they are old enough to.Erik the Red 2 00:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)Erik the Red 2
Yes, that is because it's a fact that masturbating has health benefits. Please educate yourself. Your personal opinion is completely scientifically incompatible (that's universially bad). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ran4 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Grow up and get over your hang-ups...72.78.154.193 (talk) 14:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Article biased towards pro-masturbation

Much of this article seems to suggest that it is healthy to masturbate. It's easy to find text that supports doing it, yet it's very hard to find references to people who believe it is unnatural or unhealthy. Here's a link to an article that argues that masturbation leads to bodily exhaustion, bone deterioration, and even impotence: http://www.anael.org/english/masturbation/consequences.htm . I think this article offers a very interesting point of view that is missed completely by this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zabron (talk • contribs) 20:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

That is a religious site; we already discuss negative religious viewpoints. It is not an informed source in psychology, medicine, or biochemistry. The Wednesday Island 20:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't notice the link to the main page of Religious views on masturbation .

Concerning your statement that the link I posted above is a religious site and "not an informed source," I definitely agree with the first claim, but the second claim is somewhat ad hominem, as the article does mention prestigious doctors. However, I/we would need to find more sources with more points of view to back an argument along the lines of, "A handful of modern scientists believe that masturbation may lead to bodily exhaustion, bone deterioration, and other drastic side effects."

Some sections of this article look less biased now that I have skimmed a bit more extensively, but I think the argument I posted above would be an interesting addition to the article. Zabron 02:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it would make a better addition to Religious views on masturbation. --Nigelj 13:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

You know, maybe the reason "it's hard to find references to people who believe it is unnatural or unhealthy" is because there are few such people outside of the religious community? 128.36.87.180 (talk) 20:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

There are "prestigious" doctors who swear they're in contact with aliens, but hard scientific evidence is something they are never able to produce. The same is true with these pseudoscience sites: they are motivated to pass off scientistic cherry-picking as real science. A quick glance at that website reveals nothing but absurd claims, no facts, and a less-than-expert grasp of the English language.72.78.154.193 (talk) 14:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen any non-religious arguments that support the idea that masturbation is unhealthy. While we should keep to a NPOV view in all things, it simply isn't possible to bring up balanced facts on everything. You can't easily argue a healthy side to suicide using verifiable facts, for example.

I do remember reading over 12 years ago about orgasms producing a lasting effect on the nervous system. Something akin to how sending too much current through an electrical circuit lessens the lifespan of the circuit. I've never been able to find anything about it online later in life or even in the 20 minutes I spent searching just now. Also if this 'damage' is true, all orgasms would cause this damage.74.67.17.22 (talk) 07:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Since the health benefits from masturbating has been tested scientifically with good results, pro-masturbation is obviously what wikipedia should stick with. NPOV doesn't mean "every single opinion should have exactly as much space". People have to realize the difference between science and opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ran4 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Connection between masturbation and premature ejaculation?

Is there any connection between masturbation and premature ejaculation? The Playboy Advisor said a few years ago that its main drawback is that it conditions one to reach orgasm too quickly (i.e. before the woman has a chance to climax)... Captain Zyrain 04:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of that. In fact, I've read that a man can train himself to last longer using the stop-start method while masturbating though. This link explains how:

http://sexuality.about.com/od/anatomyresponse/ht/controlprematur.htm Maybe it would be good idea to add this to the article? Asarelah 04:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh. I don't really think I'd trust the Playboy Advisor on that. I've also heard the bit about training oneself to last longer, but I think we need a better source than sexuality.about.com before it's added to the article. Ketsuekigata (talk) 05:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)