Talk:Master (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

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Remember to sign your comments. Common courtesy. Meraculas 01:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Appearance 2 didn't the master sire angel 3 Sired 4 Bloodline 5 Name?

[edit] Appearance

Shouldn't the Last Apperance be The Wish, not Prophecy Girl? For that matter it could be Lessons as well, depending how we count the First's appearance. [Thucydides]

[edit] didn't the master sire angel

I'm not sure but I think the blood line is wrong, I think it was the master that sired angel.

No, the master sired Darla who sired Angelus. It's mentioned early in the first season in some episodes and is actually seen in the episode "Amends"

You mean Becoming, Part One. -- Noneofyourbusiness 19:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sired

According to the shooting script for Welcome to the Hellmouth the Master's age is said to be over 600. The Order of Aurelius was founded by the Master in the 12th century. So that would mean that the Master would have been sired sometime during the 1100's. Meaning he would be close to 900 when Buffy staked him. Agree or disagree? Also, should this not be mentioned in the article. Meraculas 01:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Meraculas. What's the source for the info that the Master was sired in the 1100's? Is there some comment about his siring and his founding of the Order occuring in the same century? Come to think of it, where do we learn that the Master founded the Order? Wow, I actually know nothing.--Nalvage 17:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It is okay. I got my information from this very site, on the Order of Aurelius page. Also I am just speculating that he was sired in the 1100's. He could have been sired long before that and only founded the Order of Aurelius in the 12th century. Also, you do know something. You knew enough not believe as was written with out proof. Meraculas 00:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I just went through a bunch of Buffy/Angel scripts and there's nothing specific about the Master founding the Order of Aurelius. There's a mention of one of Aurelius' prophecies about the Order dating from the twelfth century, and then later Darla says that the Master, "commands our Order". I'm guessing whovever added the info on the Aurelius page assumed that "commands" meant "founded". Which to me seems like speculation, unless there's info I'm missing. But if he didn't found the Order... then he could have been sired long after the 1100s.--Nalvage 01:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Think I'm gonna nip over there and change that info, unless anyone objects. --Nalvage 11:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bloodline

According to the chart on this page, Angel is the one who sired Sarah Holtz, but is it ever actually made explicitly clear who turned her, Angel or Darla? --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 20:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Well not in that ep. Darla has stated that Angelus is the only vampire she ever sired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.36.77 (talk) 06:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name?

I heard somewhere that The Master was once named Heinrich Joseph Nest.-Kalaong (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, that's already mentioned in the article. --Nalvage (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)