Talk:Master's degree in Europe

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Contents 1 A note on Oxbridge master's degrees 2 What a mess! 3 Off-topic: Netherlands 4 Variation of fees diagram 5 German "Meister degree"

[edit] A note on Oxbridge master's degrees

Because Oxford and Cambridge do not offer MA degrees by examination, the equivalent to a part taught, part research postgraduate master's degree usually taking one or two years to complete is normally referred to as an MPhil (or sometimes MSt) degree in those universities. Research-only master's degrees (normally taking two years) may be referred instead as an MLitt (in the arts and humanities) or, more rarely, an MSc in the sciences. Also, first-year PhD students at Oxbridge are not normally enrolled as master's students, but rather as "probationary students". After a formal research evaluation taking place at the end of the first academic year, they are promoted to formal PhD candidacy or downgraded to research master's student status instead. 161.24.19.82 21:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What a mess!

About 80% of this is a restatement of Bologna. It should be explained once and then national variations given on a per country basis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.35.31.33 (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Off-topic: Netherlands

The section of the master degree's in the Netehrlands contain too much off-topic items, such as a whole part about the bachelor and a part about the doctorate, including a strange PDEng, which is not recognized as a real doctor degree at all! Furthermore a whole list about degree's and titles that has nothing to do with a master's degree. Demophon (talk) 08:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Variation of fees diagram

I think this chart needs to be removed or corrected. I have written a brief criticism in its Talk page. Turkeyphan^t 13:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] German "Meister degree"

I don't think the German vocational qualification "Meister" has to be mentioned in this article (about 1/3 of the section about Germany!). It's a vocational qualification - not a "degree" - that has really nothing to do with higher or university education or scientific/academic work. There is no mentioning of "master craftsman" (which is the literal translation of "meister") in the UK degree section either, so I think the Meister "degree" should be deleted--89.51.18.43 (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC).