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[edit] Uncategorized talk

I don't think that it is of any importance (to this particular article), whether a member of the band has been associated with child pornography, especially since the charges were later dropped. Encyclopedia content should be concise, clear and relevant, and with a clear focus on the topic. Thus, it has been removed. c64lives 11:40, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)

"Especially since the charges were later dropped"? Also, compare (from The Who):
On January 13, 2003, [Pete] Townshend was arrested by Scotland Yard on suspicion of possessing and making indecent images of children and of incitement to distribute such images, after pornographic images are found on his home computer.
So it may not be all that irrelevant. --Charles A. L. 16:11, Dec 17, 2003 (UTC)
A dropped charged is irrelevant, because it is false judiciously. If you disagree, let us post that the band has been accused of living on the moon, but that these charges has also been dropped. --c64lives 12:37, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

A quick question -- How was Massive Attack 'forced' to change their name? Didn't they choose to change it to get increased air play? Twiin 18:25, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/14/1044927795994.html?oneclick=true has the following paragraph which somewhat explains things. Definitely some more detail here would be welcome though. Dze27 01:38, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)
"What causes Del Naja even more regret, though, is the memory of how they were cajoled by the record company and management into dropping the second part of their name in order to garner airplay during the Gulf War, when the conjunction of Massive and Attack was judged unpatriotic by the BBC."

[edit] NPOV

"U.S. aggression against the Third World

aggression is a biased word "Third World" is an arguable assertion when speaking about Iraq

Wikipedia requires a Neutral point of view

Hi, someone mentioned to me that Massive Attack had some influence from musique concrete, is this true and how?

Regards.

The agression against the third world might be expanded thematically, to opposition to US imperialism including exploitation of the third world - BUT it the sentence should be rephrased so that it is clear that this is Del Naja's personal opinion (rather than his recognition f an objective fact), it seems clear from lyrics, such as following, that this is his expression, though undoubtedly a specific quotatuion would be preferable for reference sake.

Take a look around the world You see such bad things happening There are many good men Ask yourself is he one of them [from 'special cases' lyrics, 100th window]

[edit] Groundbreaking Artists

Nothing against Fischerspooner, but did Massive Attack really pave the way for them? I can't really see any connection between these bands. I really don't think this last paragraph tells us anything. --Andy-106 15:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


Grant Marshall (Daddy G) - this link is wrong. It links to a baseball player or something.

[edit] Cleanup

I've tagged this as requiring a cleanup. I've done this because the history section contains a lot of links to other articles, and I found that hard to read. Also, as an artist, they need an artist box (i'll get to work on that). ACiD2

Ok, it's added, hope the info is right. ACiD2
The history section was really hard to read. I've tried to delink some things and seperate it into a couple sections to improve the readability. It looks like a lot of people had added stuff without making any attempt to actually work into the article too, which is really annoying. Recury 19:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The display picture is ambiguous. The wide angle picture of the stage and lights could be ANY band performing live. The display picture should at least have the members in it, not a shot of the stage. Bendulum 11:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Album/ Singles Box

With the recent additions of chart position from Australia and the US, i found the box rather crowded, so i branched it out, addingnew cells for the different charting countries

Duck6 06:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weather Underground release date

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but according to Massive Attack's main website, several members of the forum on the site agree that the release of Weather Underground is more likely to occur in 2007 than in 2006. This is simply because Massive Attack is touring right now up until October, and because they have already released an album this year (Collected). The rumored date that has been circling around is Febuary 2007. If someone can integrate this information into the main page and lock it for now, that would be great.

We're not even supposed to really put information that isn't confirmed into articles, but if it's probably going to be released in 2007 and no one makes a big deal about it, it's probably fine. We can't "lock" pages, though. Recury 15:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Singles

False Flags and United Snakes are technically new singles that have been recently released by Massive Attack. Once I find the official dates that they were released on, I'll post them under the Singles section. If anyone objects, post here with reasons why.

Bendulum  12:23, 27 August 1 2006 (UTC)

Hey I changed the Daydreaming link because it went to the Wikipedia.org page on the mental condition of daydreaming, instead of a page aobut the song. - Nathan Greenhalgh

[edit] The picture

IMO the current picture is inapproperate. Why not have something else that shows the members more clearly? Theres nothing in that picture that clearly identifies Massive Attack. TREX6662k5 14:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, someone mentioned that before. If you have any better ones or can find a promo picture their label put out, we can use that. Recury 14:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] linkrot

can someone fix the linkrot please? Broken: http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/S187.htm Mike.lifeguard 14:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Singles Connection 90/98

Does anyone think they can make an article on it?

I was just coming here to say the same thing. It's a massive (pun intended) 11 piece set. It ought to be added, though not by me. P.S.: it is called The Singles Collection, not Connection.

[edit] Membership and flag

As our article correctly says, 100th Window (the band's last proper studio release) was made featuring only Robert Del Naja of the original group. Shouldn't our article here mention the artistic input from the original members dropping off to one? I'd also be happy to lose the little England flag from the infobox as it seems like a clear case of WP:FLAG. Comments? --Guinnog 22:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I think emphasizing that is probably not giving the new members enough credit. To be honest I don't really like their new stuff but if you do add something, try not to sound bitter about it or anything. No opinion on the flag. Recury 13:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the flag; it seems like dumbing-down to have it as we all know where England is.--Guinnog 09:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tricky

Shouldn't Tricky be listed under Former Members? I know he's under Associated Acts, but if I'm not mistaken, he was a member of Massive Attack. Admit maybe 03:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Massive-Attack-logo.png

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[edit] Richie Partridge

He is a footballist, isn't him? Is it sure the band had a member called this? Gubbubu. 89.133.8.58 16:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Album

Where did the release date September, 2008 come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.46.104 (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Answer: www.red-lines.co.uk !

[edit] EXCLEY's changes

My changes make the article better.

I am writing this for the benefit of Mr John.

John reverted the article back to a version which is more inaccurate and more impertinent. He says my version doesnt add anything but doesnt exert himself enough to say why. I suppose saying that the new album is gonna come next year around September doesnt add anything, saying that one of the new songs is called 16 Seeter doesnt add anything, going into the reasons why G and Mushroom left doesnt add anything.........

I've bothered to explain my reasoning several times using the quick edit explanation thing, which you can see in the history. No-one has actually come up with anything substantive against my changes, except my placing MA in a jazz category which I caved in on.

Where do I begin with my justification... everything from the silliness of the absurd term 'trip-rock' to the refering to an album called 'Weather Underground' released this year, which is quite obviously not gonna be released this year and is not gonna be called that...

I can just ring up the producer or email the manager for info, doubt you guys do that. Its just dumb those of you that wanna protect the lamer version for the sake of it.

EXCLEY 23:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Make sure that anything you post here conforms to our policy on verifiability and you will have far fewer problems. WP:AGF is also worth a look. You'll find that insulting and antagonising people will make them less likely to accept your changes, not more. It probably shouldn't be that way but we are all human. --John 16:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah like Recury's verified half of his supreme version, but okay I apologise: its intelligent for you guys to protect the worse edit... trip-rock on!! Happy now?

I thought I'd find that whoever won the argument would have their changes accepted but found its more about feelings. I'm off to listen to my Weather Underground CD.

EXCLEY 17:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with some of your changes, but most of them are problematic. Don't remove the entire controversy section just because you want the article to be all nice and complimentary. Your version of the first paragraph had too way too many peacock terms ("genre-splitting"? Come on.). You changed the nicknames from "Daddy G" to "G" and "3D" to "D" even though they are obviously just shortened versions of the nicknames that are already there. You changed the label from Virgin to EMI/Virgin, which might very well be true but you broke the link in doing it because you don't know what you're doing. There are probably more that I forgot about. I don't have a problem with your changes to the new album info if you can point to a reliable source that says it, nor do I have a problem with removing trip rock, which I've never heard of either, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions on that. Recury 13:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Genre-splicing can be understood as the crossing of genres fairly easily.

The trip-hop term is a problematic one, what does it really mean, does Massive Attack accept that categorisation, do fans use the term etc.

Re: nicknames I put both versions.

EMI/Virgin: I may well have messed up a link, but it is more accurate in the sense that you get the major and the imprint/label, so wouldve thought the thing to do would be to linkfix, rather than reverse.

Fifth album info: Already said the info is on www.red-lines.co.uk and that the guy who does that gets info from the management! To be honest I think it'll probably drift into 2009, but the new stated ETA is September 2008 and it aint gonna be called Weather Underground.

I'd give you your controversy section if it was that important to you, though really a lot of the activism was done by D personally rather than MA as a whole, it wasnt really about trying to gloss over anything.

Well at least your conversing on this. EXCLEY 09:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Genre-splicing is understandable, yes, but it sounds ridiculous. Everyone thinks their favorite band defies genres. The whole paragraph sounded like something that would be on a fan site instead of an encyclopedia.
  • Trip hop is pretty well-established; it's trip rock I'm worried about. Whether the band themselves use it doesn't matter, it's whether people who write about the band in reliable sources use it. I've seen trip hop lots of times but never trip rock.
  • Red Lines is not a reliable source. "Weather Underground" for the title and the 2007 release date doesn't have a source though, so if you want you can remove that if you don't think that's going to happen. Recury 17:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you're right about genre-splicing, but not the whole paragraph. To condemn the term genre-splicing but to endorse trip-rock, is almost as hypocritical as it as absurd. Red Lines is a reliable source. More than you are. What you've written re WU becomes increasingly retarded as 2007 draws to a close.EXCLEY 21:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Just chipping in a little here, I removed the date for Weather Underground. Reasons: 1) there's a dispute about it, 2) the sources are questioned, and 3) it's WP:CRYSTAL anyway. About the genres, I suggest to find some authorative sources to backup any claims. And last but not least, I'm inserting some wikilove. -- Pepve 23:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured in The Matrix?

Regarding the statement, "Their work has also been used in many feature films and television shows, including The Matrix, The Insider, The West Wing and House." Can someone verify that Massive Attack was featured in The Matrix? To my knowledge, it was not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metazen (talk • contribs) 06:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). -- Pepve 20:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
As to the first part, the entire reason I even KNOW about Massive Attack is because of their inclusion in The Matrix. I bought the soundtrack assuming their track of "Dissolved Girl" from Mezzanine (it is the song playing as we first meet Neo, asleep at his computer with the headphones on). It is in the end credits, but we can assume the OP is making this "To my knowledge, it was not" based entirely on the fact it is not on the soundtrack. Hate to name drop, but I asked K Reeves about this once and he said there was interesting story about that yet didn't elaborate.
As to the second part, this is a prime example of whats wrong with Wikipedia. Here someone is doing the right thing and putting his concern about the veracity on the talk page where it belongs instead of making an edit that the OP clearly (as it was unsigned by a registered user) is not sure about. Yet along comes someone pushing him to do the one thing that has angered so many past wiki contributors by aggressively cutting it out. Because what some are only now realizing is that it is much easier to criticize, cut and tear down than to write, edit productively and research. I've seen way too many inactive formerly very active User pages with messages that say in one way or another "After spending perhaps too much time here, if others are going to take a 'scorched earth' policy to editing instead of helping, I really do have better things to do with my unpaid time."
Been awhile since I did a source listing, so here is the soundtrack info for the the film, with the song in question the very first one listed: [1]
SteveCoppock 19:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Editing is the primary way to improve Wikipedia. I see too many good suggestions on talk pages that are never acted upon, that is a great loss of input. If a certain edit isn't good it will be reverted and discussed (I'm refering to WP:BRD), and that's that. Also, if you would have added the source to the article yourself (I reluctantly decided to fix it for you), you would not have needed this elaboration. Talking is fun, but this is a trivial issue. -- Pepve (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)