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[edit] Edit proposition

" the group gained prominence" is far from accurate. Their orriginal term "notoriety" is a better reflection. MassResistance is a fringe hate-group that is ridiculed and spurned by even the most conservative "pro-family" group in Massachusetts, the Mass Family Institute.

It is also important to document that the lawsuits that they encouraged and supported - have been rejected by the courts.

Furthermore, it is necessary to point out that this group introduces bills to for Legislature consideration on an annual basis, and on an annual basis the bills are rejected.

I would propose the following edit:

MassResistance is a a socially conservative Massachusetts group associated with the Parents' Rights Coalition that opposes same-sex marriage and other elements of what they call the homosexual agenda. According to the organization, it helps parents and citizens deal with, and occasionally confront, public officials and legislators. The group has gained notoriety for helping conservative parents fight what MassResistance terms the homosexual agenda in public schools. The group objects to teaching children about alternative families, especially those headed by homosexual couples, without previously alerting the parents.[1]. The group is also active in lobbying the state legislature on issues regarding homosexuality. The bills that have been submitted on behalf of MassResistance in the past several years have been consistently rejected by the the Joint Judiciary Committee.[2]The organization has supported parents who have filed unsuccessful lawsuits against schools in Massachusetts.[3]

MassResistance's website often targets the transgender community and they have been criticized for promoting anti-gay studies that lack scientific merit. [4]

The group is opposed to same-sex marriage and has criticized former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney for not opposing same-sex marriage while in office[5][6].

In March 2008, the Southern Poverty Law Center listed MassResistance as one of 888 active hate groups operating in the U.S during 2007.< ref>http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/type.jsp?DT=26</ref>


[edit] Ok, enough edit warring

Frankly, both versions look hopelessly POV. I'm going to try to make a combined version that actually has a chance of being WP:NPOV and post it here. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Replaced the edits made by Josh on April 3. MassResistance is also the latest name of severalf organizations started by Brian Camenker (Parents Rights Coalition & Article 8 Alliance were the earlier names of the same organization)--MassWatch (talk) 18:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible NPOV version?

Ok, what do people think about this version? JoshuaZ (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

MassResistance is a a socially conservative Massachusetts group associated with the Parents' Rights Coalition that opposes same-sex marriage and other elements of what they call the homosexual agenda. According to the organization, it helps parents and citizens deal with, and occasionally confront, public officials and legislators. The group has gained prominence in Massachusetts for helping parents fight in public schools what MassResistance terms the homosexual agenda which includes such activities as teaching about homosexuality to children without previously alerting the parents.[7]. MassResistance's website often targets the transgender community and they have been criticized for promoting anti-gay studies that lack scientific merit. [8]

The group is opposed to same-sex marriage and has criticized former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney for not opposing same-sex marriage while in office[9][10].

In March 2008, the Southern Poverty Law Center listed MassResistance as one of 888 active hate groups operating in the U.S during 2007.< ref>http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/type.jsp?DT=26</ref>

==References==

  1. ^ MassResistance Blog. Retrieved on 2008-03-14. “End... homosexual activist recruitment of our children in the public schools!”
  2. ^ http://massresistancewatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/no-massresistance-no-one-is-interested.html
  3. ^ http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/getopn.pl?OPINION=07-1528.01A
  4. ^ http://caliber.ucpress.net/doi/abs/10.1525/srsp.2005.2.1.3?cookieSet=1&journalCode=srsp
  5. ^ "Romney created 'gay' marriage, family groups say", WorldNetDaily, 2007-01-16. Retrieved on 2008-03-14. 
  6. ^ "Mass. activists defend Romney conservative record", The Boston Globe, 2007-01-10. Retrieved on 2008-03-16. 
  7. ^ MassResistance Blog. Retrieved on 2008-03-14. “End... homosexual activist recruitment of our children in the public schools!”
  8. ^ http://caliber.ucpress.net/doi/abs/10.1525/srsp.2005.2.1.3?cookieSet=1&journalCode=srsp
  9. ^ "Romney created 'gay' marriage, family groups say", WorldNetDaily, 2007-01-16. Retrieved on 2008-03-14. 
  10. ^ "Mass. activists defend Romney conservative record", The Boston Globe, 2007-01-10. Retrieved on 2008-03-16. 

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[edit] "Homosexual agenda"

Mr. Camenker and his supporters keep inserting loaded terminology such as "homosexual lobby", "homosexual agenda" and "vicious". Such terms have no place in an NPOV article. Corvus cornixtalk 02:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


I posted another edit that removed the term "homosexual agenda. Apparently the group and it's supporters object to the truth about their organization being exposed. I think it should be there because it lends credence to their link with other hate-groups, and the term is their own words from their own web site. Also, the term is identified by an internal link within wiki.--Wmdoti (talk) 11:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

This page isn't meant to make them look like a hate group. It's meant to describe them in an unbiased, neutral manner. --Alexc3 (talk) 02:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edits are supposed to make progress

When you make edits to the article, you're supposed to improve it. The newer edits after mine all appear to be less NPOV, as Corvus cornix noted in his edit summary here back on March 16. This goes for both people who dislike MassResistance and wish to push their point of view through the article and those who are members/supporters of MassResistance and wish to push their point of view. For both groups, please see WP:NPOV. If you can't edit with the NPOV policy in mind, do everyone a favor and don't edit at all. --Alexc3 (talk) 20:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I never heard of this organization nor its president until I read the edits to this article. I have no opinion on the subject, one way or either, and only care about the neutrality of the language used. Corvus cornixtalk 21:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Whether or not you have an opinion is irrelevant. You're allowed to have any opinion you want, as long as you don't use Wikipedia articles to push your point of view. ;) --Alexc3 (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully the only point of view I'm pushing is the neutral one. Corvus cornixtalk 16:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not accusing you of anything. >_< --Alexc3 (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible sockpuppetry

  • BD.Harvest's account (contributions) was created on March 25 and has only made edits to the MassResistance article.
  • Wmdoti's account (contributions) was created on March 25 and has only made edits to the MassResistance article, with the exception of one edit to Brian Camenker, some edits on the MassResistance talk page, and an edit on WP:CHU.
  • Stellabenna's account (contributions) was created on March 26 and has only made edits to Brian Camenker and the MassResistance article.
  • MassWatch's account (contributions) was created on March 22 and has only made edits to Brian Camenker and the MassResistance article.

All of these accounts being made at around the same time and only having edits to this article or the article on the founder of MassResistance suggests that someone may have made some of them for abusive purposes. --Alexc3 (talk) 08:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

There are also anons whose only edits have been to these pages. I've put a "coi" tag on the article because, even though the current version isn't a conflict of interest, editors with conflicts do keep frequently revert to the coi version. Corvus cornixtalk 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the coi tag is really necessary. We should just keep warning the anons/users who are vandalizing the article until they finally get themselves banned or decide to stop. --Alexc3 (talk) 00:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with the accusation. Word is out about this posting;I found out from the massresistancewatch site. I think several jumped on board to contribute at the same time as a result. I don't think the purpose is at all for abuse... rather, let the truth be known about this hate-group!--Wmdoti (talk) 11:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't an accusation, I stated it was a possibility. Sorry to disappoint you, but we're not going to "expose" MassResistance here. We're going to describe them with as little bias as possible. --Alexc3 (talk) 02:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, looks like Brian Camenker was banned for sockpuppetry before I even wrote this... --Alexc3 (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MassResistance promotes anti-gay studies

Can the one who added this text, "MassResistance's website often targets the transgender community and they have been criticized for promoting anti-gay studies that lack scientific merit," provide a quotation from the article they referenced that says this? --Alexc3 (talk) 19:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing The website MassResistance

Added reference from today's monitoring of MassResistance. This is a reference from the posting on their website today, and accurately reflects, in their own words, what the group represents and and how they interact with public officials. The change "and has fought against students being taught diversity which include stories that show same gender parents.", is an indirect quote from a correspondence of a public official in Massachusetts, which MassResistance posted on its website April 4, 2008. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmdoti (talk • contribs) 23:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)