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Why does this character's family take his forename as their surname? Or is this a mistake and the page is meant to say Ahmed Masood? Gung adin ♦ 19:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

In some countries, particularly Asian countries, the family name comes before the given name. The rest of his family may have Anglicised their names whilst he has not. Just a suggestion. It could be a mistake, but when he was called "Masood Masood" on here I guessed it was confusion due to his family name coming first. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

There's a discussion on Digital Spy forums about this too. Do a Google search for '"Masood Ahmed" EastEnders' and you'll find it. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation :)Gung adin ♦ 14:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the page should be moved to Ahmed Masood though. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 19:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

How was he credited? "Mr Masood"? — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 19:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

He was credited as "Masood", which makes that letter addressed to Mr Masood even more confusing. Maybe he is Masood Masood after all lol Gung adin ♦ 20:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. Unfortunately, none of the Masoods are on the official website. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Apart from "Kevin urges Denise to rise above her feud with Zainab, but he’s unable to take his own advice when he has a run-in with the new postie – Zainab’s husband, Masood." — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

lol, i'm imagining they will have a little comedy sub plot, where someone (prob Big Mo or Garry) goes around calling him Masood Masood, and then his name will be explained as you've explained it above.Gung adin ♦ 01:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

None of it makes sense to me anymore though... lol — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 20:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ignorant fools! Some Asian (esp Pakistani) people's surnames are their father's first name (similar to Icelandic and Swedish traditions). Masood Ahmed's father's first name was probably Ahmed and Tamwar Masood's son will likely have Tamwar as his surname. I'm impressed that EastEnders of all shows picked up on this and shows that they are actually trying to make these characters realistic. Whether the family is popular or not remains to be seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.166.92 (talk) 00:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Please don't call us fools. We already worked the name thing out, thanks. ^anemoneI_projectors 00:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

"the family name comes before the given name" - wrong again, fools. Masood IS his given name. Like I said, (in many, but not all cases) the first name of the father is passed down to his children as their surname. The wife taking changing her surname to his first name is also common. It is not, as AnemoneProjectors suggested, the family name before the given name. --80.195.166.92 (talk) 22:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To the person who has removed the entire thread:

It seems you misunderstood the tone of my entry. The 'nasty' comments (use of the word 'fools') were only meant in jest and I find difficult to believe you'd be so offended by them that you'd resort to removing the whole discussion.

The discussion was very good idea to get the Pakistani naming convention out in the open. I, as a person with Pakistani parents, find this thread to be the best way to explain to people how the naming system works amongst my people. I admire you for trying to explain the seeming oddity on a TV show and certainly didn't mean any offence. Please reinstate the discussion as there will be people wondering why the Masood family's names are the way they are and to sweeten the deal, you can remove all occurences of the word 'fools'. --80.195.166.92 (talk) 23:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

When I said the family name comes before the given name, as this is the case in countries such as Japan, I thought it might be the case here. Obviously not. But please don't call us fools (especially ignorant ones), even in jest. It was as if you were calling us all stupid for not knowing. But thank you for explaining it. The thought that his first name was used as a last name for his wife and children had occured to me. We started this discussion before he appeared on-screen, so we didn't know how he would be referred to when he finally did appear. ^anemoneI_projectors 23:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

One thing about expressing yourself in print is that anything you write can be interpreted in a number of ways depending on the reader's state of mind. The funny thing is no reader will ever re-read anything to search for an alternate meaning of the same words. Just a thought. --80.195.166.92 (talk) 23:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Your posts have been informative, and i'm sure lots of people will appreciate the explanation. However, calling people you dont know "ignorant fools" is unlikely to ever be taken as a joke, particularly when you do so after you've been asked not to. It just seemed unnecessarily rude. We may not be clued up on the Pakistani naming system, but we were discussing it here because we wanted to learn. I think the fact that we are trying to educate ourselves on different customs is a good thing.Gung adin ♦ 23:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)