Talk:Maserati MC12

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[edit] VfD

from VfD:

Vanity, non-notable --Bart133 21:50, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • It's currently an atrocious article, but Maserati is a well-known car manufacturer and we have many articles on individual car models. Keep and clean up. —No-One Jones (m) 21:54, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, cleanup. --fvw* 11:19, 2004 Nov 27 (UTC)
  • Keep, cleanup, needs cleanup indeed. Kim Bruning 18:03, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep! This is not vanity. This is notable. This does need cleanup. VfD is not Cleanup! [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:53, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion

It's interesting that a article can be considered a vanity article by some and submitted to AfD, yet eventually become a Featured Article appearing on the main page. Shawnc 02:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Although no a vain article, it was in a terrible state. Good to see what time can do to an article, I suppose. ---Adasta- 09:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Power output

Car and Driver reported in June 2005 that the MC12 produced 624 SAE net horsepower. This equates to 465 kW or 633 PS. I know that this discussion is not yet settled in Talk:List of automotive superlatives, but I wanted to note that these numbers were reported in a reputable source. --SFoskett 00:02, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Here, try this, it's the Ferrari/Maserati press website. --Pc13 12:23, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
Only registered users can access that site. Perhaps you can summarize the official word here? --SFoskett 14:34, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
The Maserati web site says Maximum power 465 kW (630 CV) at 7500 rpm. I did not have to register to see that page. Bobblewik  (talk) 14:41, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, bugger me! Sorry about that. I have access to most automakers' press sites and I just leave the passwords on automatic, so I forgot about the registering bit. --Pc13 18:47, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
The kilowatt value appears to be primary on the Maserati site. Should we have it primary here? Bobblewik  (talk) 09:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Roadster?

It is mentioned in the current article that 50 coupes and 25 possible roadsters are being produced. In my understading (based on various articles in the Topgear magazine and the Car magazine) only 50 coupes are being produced. The coupes are targa tops meaning that the roof panel comes off to change the car into a convertible.

[edit] Rewrite

I am recreating this article from scratch at User:James086/maserati, so if anyone is interesting in helping that would be great. Remember sources and try to keep the wording and format clear because this article is virtually unreadable.

I finished rewriting the article and have replaced the old one.James086 14:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
A lot of useful information regarding FIA GT participance seems missing - had to find it on [[1]]. And can you clarify the run on Dubai/2004? - from the referred table, I see that AF Corse won Zhuhai rather than Dubai. Honeyman 09:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
You are completely right, sorry, I must have misread the table. It was Zhuahai so I have changed it. That link was basically a mirror of an older revision of this article ([2]) which I found using the history. I didn't include that information because it was unsourced but if you can find sources for it go for it. I will look for some of the info aswell. James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 00:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual issues

Recently someone brought up some factual disputes about the article on my talk page, if anyone can confirm any of the info that would be great, I'm currently looking into it. I also took it down from Good article nomination because of this. The issues raised were:

  • The team racing in the Italian GT 2005 was only Racing Box
    • [3] Shows that there were 2 teams, with several drivers each. Playteam Sara Free had car number 12 and Racing Box had car number 1. Playteam Sara Free had 2 drivers, Racing Box had 3. Will look for other sources however
    • [4] only mentions racing box
    • [5] References only Racing Box.
  • There are 2 teams in the Italian GT for 2006; Racing Box and Scuderia Playteam
    • [6] says Playteam Sara Free and Racing Box, no mention of Scuderia. Will look for more
    • [7] References the "newcomers Scuderia Playteam" and other pages in the same domain constantly reference Playteam.
    • [8] references Scuderia Playteam.
    • [9] says there are 3 cars for Scuderia Playteam.
  • The car competed in 2 races in 2004, Dubai and Zhuhai, under the team AF Corse
  • The MC12 Corsa has carbon racing brakes, not carbon ceramic brakes

James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 03:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination PASS

Good job on this article!

I tried to make minor copyediting changes. Please check all my diffs carefully, as sometimes seemingly innocent changes in wording can change factual content.

  • I was surprised there was no article for "air scoop." You can remove the redlink if you like.
  • I tried to put in wikilinks wherever I saw words that are specific to the car industry. As a cleanup exercise, you may want to read the article slowly, word by word, and see if there are others that can be added.
  • I wasn't sure about "were also contested by"; did you mean "were in competition with"?
  • I wasn't sure which victory was being referred to in the lead, where it says "achieiving a victory" This could be clarified.
  • I wasn't sure about "The car is noted for its size and consequent obscurity.." this clause is ambiguous, since abscurity can have different meanings.
  • I also left a note about another point in the diffs; please check.

But these are all minor points. Excellent work! --Ling.Nut 14:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what's the big idea with the homosexual comment?

it looks like vandalism. will someone fix this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.86.156 (talk) 04:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

It gets fixed very quickly. This is todays featured article so it will probably attract a lot of vandalism today. Not to worry, there are plenty of people who will get rid of it quickly. James086Talk | Email 04:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverted article again, vandalism Dewitp 14:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the featured articles supposed to be protected?? 130.245.211.188 22:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British spelling Inconsistency.

Very minor comment but in the Reception header we have the line Other criticisms include the lack of trunk, rear window....... Would it not be better to use the word "boot" but still with the same wikilink (car boot redirects to trunk (automobile))? I would be bold but as it's on the main page I'd prefer a bit of consensus. Pedro |  Chat  08:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The following is Copied from User talk:Pedro

Go for it. I never realised that I'd used the American word, I guess I've seen too many American films. James086Talk | Email 08:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Done. Pedro |  Chat  08:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Tyres"

Under the 'wheels' heading, the word 'Tyre' appears multiple times, even linking to the 'tire' article. Is this a widely accepted spelling, or should it be Americanized to 'tire'? Ghostwo 15:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Tyre is a common alternate spelling http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tire --Danhibiki 17:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The article uses British spelling and per the Manual of Style it doesn't matter if it's British or American so long as it's consistent throughout . James086Talk | Email 00:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Based on the fact that the wikipedia article for 'tires' is, in fact, titled "Tire", this seems to be the wiki standard. Additionally, a wikisearch for 'Tyre' found 3823 pages, while 'Tire' yielded 25,856 pages. Now this is obviously skewed, as it includes synonyms and towns, but you get the point. Still, I suppose it doesn't really make a difference. I guess us americans will have to wait awhile to rid English of the english >:-)
Ghostwo 06:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand tourer?

Can the MC12 really be called a grand tourer? I mean it dosnt even have a boot and is so low that it has trouble on normal roads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svennex (talk • contribs)

The car has been called a grand tourer by Maserati and due to the subjective term of supercar it was deemed better to call it a grand tourer (Maserati never called it a supercar, they did call the MC12 Corsa a supercar though) and not risk the possible conflict. James086Talk | Email 00:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Measurements

Why are SI measurement units written as words instead of abbreviations? "Millimeter" instead of "mm"? "Kilogram" instead of "kg"? "Kilometers per hour" instead of "km/h"? Any problem with me changing it? --Pc13 15:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

It's part of the WP:MOS that measurements should be written out in full in text and abbreviated in brackets eg. "The car weighs 1335 kilograms (2943 lb)." See WP:UNITS. Oh yeah, thanks for correcting the MC12 Corsa's power, I didn't realise it was an error. James086Talk | Email 00:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah. "Spell out units in the text". Took me a few times going up and down to notice that. Looks kind of clunky though. --Pc13 07:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
It's easier to write km/h or mm but I suppose they should be written out so that it's easier to read. James086Talk | Email 08:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)