Category talk:Mass murderers

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What is the nature of the NPOV dispute here? GCarty 13:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

It probably has something to do with this. —Cryptic (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC invitation

I invite everyone interested to take part in an RfC regarding the appropriate use of this category for two specific articles, Michael O'Dwyer and Reginald Dyer. My hope is that it will also help to set the more definite guidelines for the category in general. -- int19h 15:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Should thee category:holocaust perpetrators be a subcategory? This includes "office desk killers" (German de:Schreibtischtäter) such as Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler. Andries 09:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

No, because "this category is not to be used for ... those who carried out massacres in service of a state." -- int19h 12:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you think so? The definition of mass murder states "Mass murder (massacre) is the act of murdering a large number of people, typically at the same time, or over a relatively short period of time. Mass murder may be committed by individuals or organizations." Andries 12:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The citation I gave was from this very category's definition, I did not make it up. As for why - my understanding of this category is that it is intended for people who personally carried out several murders, not those who are in some or another way responsible for multiple murders. The reason simply being that, if we accept the "responsibility" approach, it is only a matter of time before the category will have people from Temujin and Ivan the Terrible to Lenin and George W. Bush listed in it. -- int19h 13:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The inclusion of certain people in this category is disputed

At present, the entry disputed is that on Josip Broz Tito. Can anyone give any sane reason why he is in this category? -- int19h 17:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Josip Broz Tito was political leader mass murderer and his category is disputed: is it more appropriate category political leaders mass murderers? It is category for Mao Tse Tung, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and many more!!!! LEO 4 June 2007

If you can find any reliable sources which specifically label Tito as a "mass murderer", then he could be reasonably put in this category. Until then, it is not the case. Also, please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a soapbox. -- int19h 05:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

My question is: which category is appropriate from Temujin and Ivan the Terrible to Lenin???? Is this or other???? LEO 6 June 2007

The choice is not "this or other". They all belong to the categories appropriate to them. Neither belong to category "Mass murderers". In case of Ivan IV and Lenin, I would imagine that category "State terrorism" (which already exists) would be quite appropriate. -- int19h 07:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)