User talk:Martin Ottmann

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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Martin Ottmann, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! Cirt (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:RTC-1.jpg

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[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Application-8718-CSI.pdf

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[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Application-8718-SMI.pdf

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[edit] Assistance

If I were you I would respond to that question asked of you if you have the actual FOIA request, because that in addition to the document would probably be sufficient to show that the federal government did publicly release the information. Also, I would highly suggest that instead of uploading all of these images here, any images that are public domain should be uploaded instead to Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org -- Cirt (talk) 12:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your response. I have somehow the problem resolved for the time being. Check out the the discussion.
What I don't understand is why you propose Wikimedia Commons for uploading these documents. What is better there? I thought that I should encyclopedical content upload on wikipedia and I regard these documents as such, as they are references. Another problem on wikimedia is that you have to upload "original" federal government documents, which would cause a huge problem for the IRS records. Wikipedia on the other hand is not that strict.
Another question: I have a shitload of OSA documents from Greece and Russia. They were obtained from the courts and the federal prosecutor's office - public record. How can I upload them here? Greetings. Geo1967 (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
OSA Docs are still copyright even if public record, So based on my current understanding of policy

here they cannot be uploaded on any WMF project, Sorry. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

What if they are exhibits in a court record, as it is the case with the Greek OSA documents?Geo1967 (talk) 21:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


My understanding was that even though they were cited as evidence in a court case, that fact did not change thier copyright status. You need to speak a lawyer, as Wikipedia cannot give legal advice Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Borrowed Robes....

No I am NOT an admin, as you claimed in your enquiry to Cirt. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I have not claimed it, I just thought you were one. Geo1967 (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, OK then :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template for the CoS/IRS documents

That is excellent :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tell me

Why your mass uploading of documents is not an WP:OR issue. Thanks. Shutterbug (talk) 22:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

That's why: "Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions or experiences. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented."
Because it's not *original research*, because I am providing *verifiable references*. Read the article again, which you are refering to. Have a good day.Martin Ottmann (talk) 22:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Public Domain documents and Wikimedia Commons

I highly recommend that instead of uploading all of these public domain documents to Wikipedia directly, you instead upload them to Wikimedia Commons. http://commons.wikimedia.org That way, the files could be shared across other wikimedia projects in other languages. Let me know if you need any help/advice figuring that out. Cirt (talk) 13:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Before I'll go any further into that: when you upload a US government document on wikimedia commons, the license category, which you have to choose, states: "Original work of the US Federal government". The documents, which I had uploaded, are not "original works". They are public record of the Federal government, but not "original work".

"License: Works made *by* employees of the U.S. federal government or its agencies (such as the NOAA, the USFWS, the NPS, and many others) as part of their duties are in the public domain in the U.S. [...]"

That's it. Martin Ottmann (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well if they are public domain they are public domain, and can be on Wikimedia Commons. I am sure they must have an appropriate license tag for that. I think [1] is appropriate for documents entered into public record in a United States Federal Court. Cirt (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)