User talk:MarionTheLibrarian

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[edit] Andrea James

Hi Marion, and thank you for your contributions to the Wikipedia. I see that you reverted all of my edits to the Andrea James article and I would like to avoid an edit war, so I would like to talk to you some.

I re-reverted some of your edits but I left the word "controversial" in the lead section of the article. I do not think the lead section needs to state any more explicitly that some of her activism has been controversial, as most activism is at least a little controversial. I moved some of your statements from the lead section to the "Transsexual Activism" section. The fact that "some" (Alice Dreger according to the source you cited) think Andrea James is more like Al Sharpton than Martin Luther King Jr. does not seem particularly encyclopedic to me, but if you feel this should be included, it belongs in the "Transsexual activism" section, not in the lead section. In general, you should try to avoid weasel words in Wikipedia articles. And your addition to the lead section about Andrea James' later removed personal attacks on Bailey's children was redundant as there was already a mention of that in the "Transsexual activism" section.

To say it again in a nutshell, while some of Andrea James' work is undoubtedly controversial, the lead section need not explicitly say so as it did after you edited it. I am trying to compromise with you and I hope you will do the same.

Andrea Parton (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Same goes for the Lynn Conway article, in which you put mostly the same, including forgetting to change the name James to Conway at first, except that I took out "controversial" as clearly an unneeded interpretation in the lead sentence. Dreger has become a principal in these debates, through her blog and her very one-side analysis, and is therefore not a suitable sendonary source per WP:BLP. And Marion, as you are new to wikipedia and have obviously a single purpose with strong POV in your edits, it would be wise to learn sooner, rather than later, how collaborative encyclopedia writing works. You'll just create a lot of grief for yourself and others if you keep up the way you've started. Dicklyon (talk) 14:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Since you recently edited pedophilia...

Did you notice that there's a RfC at Talk:Pedophilia#What_is_neutrality.3F? I and others would be grateful for outside input. --AnotherSolipsist (talk) 22:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to List of paraphilias has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Nn123645 (talk) 23:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I have added a specific comment to indicate why each change was warranted. I provide them as individual edits so that other editors could comment on specific issues, since each entry has its own eccentricity.—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit warring

Hi Marion,

You're being too aggressive with reverts at the Pedophilia article. You added a lot of OR to the article, and now you need to discuss on talk instead of revert-warring with Squeakbox to keep your changes in. Thanks, -PetraSchelm (talk) 21:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Pardon my newness, but what's "OR"?
Secondly, I am not sure what I might have done that is improper. I proposed the new text, nearly verbatim, on the talk page, and it was endorsed by everyone who cared to say anything. So, after waiting for everyone to have their say (about two days), I put in the new text, precisely as advertized. Then it got reverted without any discussion at all. It would seem (to me) that going back to the agreed-upon text and asking that we all talk about it first is exactly the proper thing (on my part) to have done. What netiquette have I not followed?
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 21:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
original research--the paragraph you wrote on cognitive distortions is almost entirely OR, and didn't get consensus. You were a little hasty to add it. And if someone reverts you on a big chunk of drastic changes that have less than 2 days discussion, go to the talkpage, don't immediately start revert warring, ok? -PetraSchelm (talk) 21:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
You're the old dog here. I may have more of the references at my disposal, but I'm still just a newbie.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warning regarding your edits at Pedophilia

Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 22:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

This is an excessive warning. The editor's behaviour does not come into conflict with the 3RR (as yours has in the past), and does not exceed your own tendency to revert.
I therefore urge calm in the relationship between you two, and complaint only when it is justified. J-Lambton T/C 23:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Jack, Marion's last revert restored only the material supported by a consensus on the discussion page, not the original research that Petra objected to. She wasn't edit warring. --AnotherSolipsist (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment. However, the three revert rule does not apply to reverting of any one statement on an article, it applies to multiple reverts on any one article in one day. Also, there was no consensus on the talk page at the time that the reverts were done. There was an ongoing content dispute that had not been resolved. As you know, edit-warring is not an effective method of resolving content disputes. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; I thought I was losing my mind. Tough crowd.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

MarionTheLibrarian, the warning I posted on your page was not intended to convey anything other than information. It's a bit funny that User:Jovin Lambton urged calm. I don't need to tell you why it's funny, you'll see that for yourself as you get to know more about that user.

I posted the warning because you had already reverted three times on that page today. Since you have written several times that you are a new editor, I thought you might not be aware of the three revert rule. If no-one warned you, you might exceed 3RR without realizing it. It's a good idea to read the whole rule so you understand the way it works.

It's also a good idea to read the other main Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Here's a starting page that lists the important ones:

Now that I've reviewed your talk page further, I see that you had previously received a similar warning, so the one I posted was probably not necessary. You are aware of the rule and of the idea of edit-warring, so nothing further need be written about that. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Come on,folk. Marion is a brand new user with 8 days here and a 3RR template is entirely appropriate for a newbie. You are treating her like she is an experienced user. The rest of us are experienced enough to know 3RR and such a template would thus be inappropriate but Marion has just started and for an 8 day old user a template warmning is entirely standard, hence I find Jovin and AS's comments reflecting their own lack of real wikipedia experience, because otherwise I would have to assume bad faith. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I am having trouble counting to three. I commited an undo at 21:23, and what might be considered a partial undo at 22:06 to reinstate the agreed-upon text. What were my other 1-1/2 undo's?
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 00:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Marion, the idea is to give you the 3RR warning before you go over 3rr, not afterwards. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Rough crowd. Personally, I would warn someone at three not to do any more, but as you've pointed out, I'm new to wiki culture. —MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 01:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

What an odd comment. Three is not a right, and the sooner you knew about 3rr the better. But you are right, due to a plethora (50 or so) poisonous sockpuppets the atmosphere is seriously poisoned re pedophilia at wikipedia. But there are many other calmer places on the encyclopedia where you might be advised to gain some editing experience before coming back to the rough world of the pedophile articles. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I hope you're not discouraged from editing Pedophilia. We really need more editors who are familiar with the literature. --AnotherSolipsist (talk) 02:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. I may be a bookworm, but I have quite a thick skin, and I'm not planning on going anywhere.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 11:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kurt Freund images

Thanks for uploading Image:Freund, Dr Kurt, 1914-1996 ~CIP 66.jpg and Image:Compressed freund cropped.jpg. You didn't specify the source of these photographs, though, which means User:OrphanBot will soon remove them from the article. Could you edit the source into the fair use justifications just added? --AnotherSolipsist (talk) 02:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll add the source.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 11:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] alternate accounts

Thank you for accepting my suggestion at the checkuser report talk page and posting disclosure of your alternate accounts on your user pages of this account and your former account, User:WriteMakesRight. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 18:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. All I ever needed was instructions on how.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 19:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lynn Conway

Relocated to Lynn Conway talk page.

[edit] Lynn Conway Mediation

Hi, I've accepted the 2008-06-01 Lynn Conway mediation case. Please feel welcome to participate and comment. BrownHornet21 (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)== Ephebophilia ==

I could do with your help at Ephebophilia, which you edited recently. A couple of editors seem to be completely unaware of referencing guidelines and are deleting reliable sources because they find an online copy offensive and unreliable. They are deleting all of the pub data (which is enough in itself) because of this. forestPIG 17:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm always happy to help out by improving sources. But I'm having trouble locating this one. I does not appear in the Library of Congress catalog. Where did you find it?

[edit] advice

It would be very highly advisable to use the information you have to improve e Dreager article, which is pretty much of a disgrace at this point. Doesn't show the key points of notability very well, doesnt seem objective, and looks like a copyvio. It would make it much easier to use him as a source. 23:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry; I'm not following you...to improve which article? Using who as a source?
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 00:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR warning

You reverted my edit to Archives of Sexual Behavior thrice already, instead of making constructive suggestions for how to improve it; you've said you have no objection to the mention, so please help fix it if the way I've done it is not to your liking. You will violate WP:3RR if you revert again, putting you at risk of being blocked. Dicklyon (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Marion, it will not be necessary for you to remove it again. Dickylon is already in clear violation of 3RR himself, as well as WP:BLP, and I will do what is needed to protect the article. DGG (talk) 05:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 13:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I have stopped the edit war for the moment, but as , I think it better to leave it to the mediator to follow up on this one as well. I'll give advice, but I dont intend to take any admin action except in urgent situations, like last night. DGG (talk) 14:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and thanks.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 14:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Erotic asphyxiation

The Human Sexuality Barnstar
For making the Erotic asphyxiation article readable, Simon Speed (talk) 00:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about apotemnophilia, but I know little about the various paraphilias and our local library doesn't even get as far as spanking in its sexuality books (I think they have a copy of the Hite Report). You can put your barnstars on your userpage if you like, or set up a page for them (people with a lot do this and some just delete them). --Simon Speed (talk) 22:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)