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RE: your most recent article

Looks awesome! I hope you don't mind me tinkering slightly, all I did was replaced "ready to stand up" to "required to stand up" thought it was a little less recruitment-poster-ish. I put it in category:WorldWarII (it's okay for that, right? If not no worries) I wikified a couple of dates, and combined to short paras into one medium one. Great work as always!! SGGH 21:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Christopher Crommett-"unsourced" entry

Tony:

The entry you removed regarding the musical facet to CNN-en-Español-VP Christopher Crommett can be verified at: http://butterfliesintherainforest.com/Index.html I would suggest that the entry, or an edited version thereof be reincorporated once you've had a chance to verify. Keep up the good work in constantly improving this valuable source of information! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.50.30.193 (talk) 01:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the correction. When I retire, if not sooner, I may create an account. In the meantime, I'd rather help "de afuerita" and simply support and applaud those like you who contribute so much to the availability of knowledge!


You may want to take a look at my following suggestion: Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2007-03-19 Nobody has taken up on it. He was the Florida-based rheumatologist from Puerto Rico who developed medical missionary work in Haiti and composed the Christian musical that Crommett turned into a first-rate CD. The CD benefits the charity organization, HERO, that continues his missionary work in Haiti after his passing close to four years ago

Puerto Ricans in WW II

I like the general shape and content of the article. A few things I would do would be:

1 -- The lead paragraphs should summarize the content of the rest of the article pretty closely. (see WP:LEAD. As such, the first sentence really would do better in the body of the article, perhaps under the background section.

2 -- I'd try to replace as many of the passive voice constructions with active voice. Making up a few examples: it's better to say: "The United States required Puerto Ricans to participate..." rather than "Puerto Ricans were required..."

If time permits, I'll look in again later. Bob --CTSWyneken(talk) 12:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 23 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Puerto Ricans in World War II, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 13:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

User page

See the new look! What do you think? It took a lot of tinkering... SGGH 16:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure hope so! SGGH 20:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for all your help Tony, I will spend a good couple of days exploring these new tools and reading all the info before I do any serious admin work (as you can understand). In the mean time I'm off to go and thanks those who supported me for there support, and then come back to you with a fitting wiki-gift when I have thought of something good :D

All the best for now!

SGGH 19:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Archives

Hey Tony, how are you? Question...how does one make one of those Archive things for the Talk page (with the box picture and everything). I have put a bit of my talk page in the archive (link in the userpage - at the top). Thanks. Charleenmerced Talk 04:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)Charleenmerced

  • That was quick! Thanks! How do I add another? What do I do? Charleenmerced Talk 04:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)Charleenmerced
    • Oh, and how do I change the name? cuz I would like to do it by date.

DYK nom on Mihiel Gilormini

Hello,

Thanks for creating article on Mihiel Gilormini. Just for your information, I have nominated a DYK on this article, by having the following hook.

Thanks, - KNM Talk 03:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


Image:Nopicture.jpg

Might be better to use Image:Replace this image1.svg since it has extra functions.Geni 19:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Boricua Barnstar

My very first barnstar! It means alot, especially from you. Thanks, Tony. - Mtmelendez (TALK|UB|HOME) 20:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 29 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mihiel Gilormini, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 23:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: CAPT Marion Fredric Ramirez de Arellano

I'm new to Wikipedia, so I appologive if I'm not doing this right...

I'm glad to have been able to upload the photo. I'm an editor at UNDERSEA WARFARE Magazine and am working on an article on CAPT de Arellano with Rear Adm. Jay DeLoach (another submariner and currently the highest ranking Hispanic in the Navy). Rear Adm. DeLoach and I are also beginning to research an article on the great contributions Hispanics have made to the U.S. Submarine Force.

Thanks, Mike —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gmsmith558448 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

WoH plaque

Thank you very much <blush!> - much appreciated - I'll move it to my gallery of awards! :) Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 19:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Good Article nomination

I just passed Good Article nomination for Puerto Ricans in World War II;the article itself is well referenced as well as strong structured and interesting, the only matter that must be attended is the tag on Image:Monumento de la Recordacion.JPG's page, Cheers! -凶 00:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Puerto Rico Article Assessment

Hey, Tony. The Puerto Rico Article Assessment page is up and running. I created all the necessary categories and links, ran the bot, and it seems to be running smoothly. Do you mind checking it out? - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 01:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks man...

Thanks man, I appreciate it. But there's still a lot of work to be done before that!! I'll be back tomorrow. Hopefully I can get some hours on assessing the unassessed articles so we can get a better picture of how the Wikiproject is doing. Cheers, Tony. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 01:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Puerto Ricans in World War II

Wow. The article is really good. I think if we obtain an independent peer review (someone not in the Puerto Rico community), we might get some suggestions to elevate it to Featured. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 17:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. - I forgot to mention the contributions of Joelito on the Puerto Rico article assessment project. He formatted the {{PuertoRicoproj}} template to adhere to the assessment process. As you can see from the edit, it was not an easy task. If you get the chance, drop him a line to thank him. Peace. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 17:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Tony, I cleaned up some of your refs, but there's more to be done; publishers have to be accurately identified. I think the biggest obstacle you'll face at PR and at GA is that many of your sources don't meet WP:RS. We just can't use self-published (personal) websites as reliable sources. If you can limit the article to talking about people whose only reference is something other than a personal website (for example, the utexas utopia site is a good one), you'll be in stronger shape. Saludos, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, read the bold title section of WP:LEAD. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Your sandbox version solves the bolding of the title issue, but there's a typo (limted) and it starts off with a negative (what the topic is not about rather than what it is about). All of the personal websites could be a problem; I indicated many of them in edit summaries. Anyone can write anything on the internet; WP:RS requires some sort of editorial oversight or peer review. Saludos, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

That lead looks better. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Tony... I've got a confession to make...

Hey Tony. I was the one who re-assessed the importance of the articles, though I thought I had good intentions. Per the importance scale descriptions, I understood that core topics should be the ones assessed as Top, with sub-topics assessed as High. Therefore, I assessed the History of Puerto Rico as Top, followed by Military history as High. My determination was not on the quality of the article, but rather its position on the importance scale. As for Agustin Ramos Calero, the person is a notable military hero, but is not internationally renowned. Remember, I assessed the article based on the importance scale, not on the quality of the article.

I started assessing articles today, but I've halted that based on the concern of reaching a concrete consensus on the importance determinations. The suggestions made by the WP:01 are ambigous at best, and I erred in assessing when other users still had doubts in the scale.

But please, lets continue this discussion on the assessment talk page. I'm not going to keep assessing or re-assessing until this is settled. So let's sit down and talk. Sorry, for the trouble. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 00:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Response...

I've responded to your well-founded concerns. Please check it out. I'll be back tomorrow to continue this discussion. Thanks. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 01:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Response to Chat

Your vote of confidence means a lot. I'll see what I can do to start changing the scale description from Importance to Priority. However, I'm currently tight on time (it's tax season!), so it may take a few days to make the changes. But I'll get around to it. Take care. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 12:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Uma Blasini

If you agree the article should be renamed "Uma Blasini", can you please support the move request here? Thanks. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

New Response to Chat

Hey, Tony. I got your message, but sorry for the late response. Don't worry about me man, now that we've all talked about it and consensus is clearer, I think we should just keep assessing articles and let the process roll. You've been here more than anyone in the project, so you're probably the best person to assess articles! If we step into each other's shoes, we'll just talk about it and reach an accord on a specific assessment. I think the hardest part is over now, which was discussing the conventions and reaching consensus. Now, comes the easy part... assessing about 400 articles!! he he. Today's my Off-Wiki day, but drop me a message, I'll respond tomorrow. Cheers, man. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 12:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylvia Mendez

Nice work on Sylvia Mendez -- that's one of the best brand-new articles I've seen in a while. Looks like Wikipedia'a not done yet! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thank you for the Wall! appreciate that.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. Tony the Marine 03:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep, good work, catching things I missed. Good article; I didn't know there were towns where they discriminated against Puerto Rican Americans while the Japanese Americans were temporarily unavailable because they were being abused elsewhere. What irony, and what a comment on our society. My grandfather was also treated unkindly during WWII, and our family had already been in North America for over 200 years at the time. BTW, "de jure" really need no italics, as it is not a foreign phrase, but a phrase of foreign origin now part of English. The easy test is whether it's found in the dictionary, and it is. Chris the speller 03:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you Chris, I really enjoyed writing the article. The amazing thing that I wanted to point out is that unlike popular belief (see: American Civil Rights movement) the civil rights movement was not only an African-American thing. The civil rights movement involved people of all colors and races. Tony the Marine 03:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Wow, great article Tony. I had no idea she had such an impact on American civil rights. We always hear that the civil rights movement was basically spearheaded by the black community, but it's amazing to hear that it was also sparked by the Latino struggle. I still see its under the GAN process, but I hope it passes soon. Good luck! - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 21:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Contact Info

Tony,

Rear Adm. Jay DeLoach would like to give you a call and discuss - I'm assuming - your work documenting Puerto Rican military history.

Can you please send an email to george.m.smith@gmail.com with your phone number and I'll pass it along to Rear Adm. DeLoach?

Thanks, MIke

Checking in

Hi Tony,

My apologies for a tardy response to your note. (It is always good to hear from you.) Real life has been demanding and lately I've been spending my Wiki-time doing some basic janatorial tasks rather than writing many articles. I did see that the Puerto Ricans in World War II was promoted to GA. (I'm always impressed by your dedication to creating such comprehensive articles on such broad topics. I'm please to have had a little hand in improving this particular article.)

I've seen the new article Looper5920 has been working on — Organization of the United States Marine Corps. I do agree — nice article.

Have you taken a look at the USMC Portal lately? It was just updated on April 1. (The article, image, biography, and quote are updated monthly. The other boxes have updates more frequently.)

Hope you and your family are well. — ERcheck (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Great news

Wow, wow, and wow! Great news! RADM DeLoach's words are well spoken in capturing your contributions. — ERcheck (talk) 03:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

No firm commitment yet. I'd like to see the scope and description of the project. What intrigues me is the possibility of perhaps having better access to reliable, possibly obscure sources. I'm sure that there area lot of publically available documents, not readily available online or in the closest library, that would be helpful in building a well-referenced, comprehensive article. — ERcheck (talk) 03:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Tony, Congrats on being asked to help by the RADM. I will help out where I can but I am not going to lie and tell you that it is a subject that will have my full undivided attention. I tend to dwell in my own little corner of the encyclopedia and rarely get outside of my lane. I also have a few busy months ahead with real life, I will be moving house and countries here shortly. Sorry, to be a bit of a buzz kill but better the truth.--Looper5920 03:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Rodriguez

I know you're interest in Puerto Rican articles, and I thought I'd let you know I just photographed Daniel Rodriguez yesterday. I hope you're well. --David Shankbone 14:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Article suggestion

Check out whether my suggested article should be posted:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Today#Official_Historian_of_Puerto_Rico>

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.150.251.135 (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

  • Great Idea! Come on over my e-mail. Tony the Marine 15:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylvia Mendez

She's certainly a very important person in the history of civil rights in America, although not as well known as other civil rights activists, eg Rosa Parks - she definitely deserves a GA about her. Incidentally, by improving the summary for the stamp, I actually meant the summary of the stamp itself, rather than the caption in the article. Thanks for the quick replies. Laïka 21:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sylvia Mendez

Tony, It will much later today or tomorrow, but I'll be glad to. — ERcheck (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

What is the name of the article cited as
Sauceda, Isis (March 28, 2007). "" (in Spanish). People en Espanol: pages 111-112.
— ERcheck (talk) 04:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Are all the items listed in the Further reading sections books? If so, do you have year of publication and publisher on the book? — ERcheck (talk) 05:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The formatting of your citations, further reading, and external links is completed. I added another external link and two citation. I found a Postal Service press release on the stamp, but it did not give the date of release. Do you have a citation for the April release? — ERcheck (talk) 11:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I found one. — ERcheck (talk) 12:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Another question: Is Isis Sauceda the author of the People en Espanol article or simply the publisher of the magazine? — ERcheck (talk) 12:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Good. Then the citation is correct. All were completed a few hours prior to the promotion. — ERcheck (talk) 20:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylvia Mendez GA nom

The article Sylvia Mendez you nominated as a good article has passed . Congratulations! Laïka 08:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Bishop Angel Marcial

Tony:

With the exception of Catholic Bishops Alvaro Corrada and Roberto González Nieves, Pentecostal Bishop Angel Marcial is the only other ecclesiastical leader in Puerto Rico who has held an important ecclesiastical office on the mainland United States. He should merit inclusion as the head of Puerto Rico's pentecostal community, but more so now that his jurisdiction also includes the southeastern US. I believe that his deletion from the list by another wikipedian should be reconsidered and he should be reinstated. Could you take a look at this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.50.30.90 (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

Re: Userboxes

Hey Tony, How are you? Sorry I didn't get back with you earlier. I'll check out the userboxes as soon as I get a chance. --Stux 00:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Puerto Ricans in World War II

Hey Tony,

I've taken a look at the Puerto Ricans in World War II page that you have asked to be peer reveiwed. I think it has great potential of becoming a feature article. It is well written and documented. The onlt thing about th earticle you could improve is the image layour. I (personally) find the image layout to be a bit too small and bland.

The Original Barnstar
I hereby awad you this barnstar for your continued work on wikipedia talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 05:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Great work - keep it up!

talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 05:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Feature Article

Yes, definately! If I was rating it on just the text and not the image layour, I would definately rate it as a FA

talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 05:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

That's really awesome, Tony

Glad to hear it. I can't remember if I e-mailed you my phone number or not; if I didn't, let me know and I will do so.

I have similar encouraging news: I may apprentice with Christopher Makos, one of the most accomplished photographers, for a couple days a week; we are to discuss it when he comes back. Also, playwright Larry Kramer forwarded my Tompkins Square Park Police Riot article to a producer friend of his. Pretty cool! --David Shankbone 15:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylvia Mendez

Updated DYK query On 8 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sylvia Mendez, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 23:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Questions about Puerto Ricans in World War II

Tony, I noticed a hidden comment added to the third paragraph of the introductory section - noting that the sentence on commanders felt a bit awkward. I re-read the paragraph and agree that the paragraph doesn't flow.

Working draft of paragraph

World War II marked an expansion of opportunities for Puerto Rican's in the U.S. military. For the first time, Puerto Rican women were permitted to join the military; however, their options were restricted to nursing or administrative positions. It was also the first time that some of the island's men would play an active role as commanders. The military did not keep statistics in regard to the total amount of Hispanics who served in the regular units of the Armed Forces; therefore, it is impossible to determine the exact number of Puerto Ricans who served in World War II.

Comment
It appears that the point of the paragraph is to indicate that Puerto Rican's opportunities/roles/numbers in the military increased/expanded in World War II. Is that right? If so, the sentences in the paragraph should then be framed to make that clear.
Comment
Was this the first time that Puerto Rican men were commanders? I'm not sure of the exact meaning of the sentence.
Comment
Is the last sentence supposed to indicate that more Puerto Ricans were serving, but the exact statistics are not known? If so, is there specific fact that can be used here to show this is the case?

Later, — ERcheck (talk) 11:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

How about this?

Current version:

“ For the first time, Puerto Rican women were permitted to join the military; however, their options were restricted to nursing or administrative positions. It was also the first time that some of the island's men would play an active role as commanders. The military did not keep statistics in regard to the total amount of Hispanics who served in the regular units of the Armed Forces; therefore, it is impossible to determine the exact number of Puerto Ricans who served in World War II. ”

Suggested revision:

“

World War II marked an expansion of opportunities for Puerto Ricans in the U.S. military. For the first time, Puerto Rican women were permitted to join the military; however, their options were restricted to nursing or administrative positions. It was the first time that Puerto Rican men would serve as commanders in the U.S. military. There was a great increase in the number of Puerto Ricans serving in the U.S. military; however, the military did not keep statistics in regard to the number of Hispanics or number of Puerto Ricans serving, so it is not possible to determine exact numbers.

 ”

Do you have a citation for first time as commanders?

Let me know what you think. The paragraph needs to be accurate.

— ERcheck (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Tweaking

OK, I'm reading through the article on commanders. There were clearly Puerto Ricans serving in command positions prior to WW2. See RADM Frederick Lois Riefkohl, Navy Cross recipient during WW1 — as a lieutenant, he was Commander of the Armed Guard of the USS Philadelphia.

So, it is incorrect that WW2 marked the first time to be commanders. Is there something else to be said for command opportunities (that can be validated) that fits with expanded opportunities? Or perhaps, my lead-in sentence is just incorrect.

— ERcheck (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Command positions

Tony wrote:

I see what you mean. Frederick Lois Riefkohl, as a lieutenant, was Commander of the Armed Guard of the USS Philadelphia, but not of the USS Philadelphia. What I'm trying to point out is that there were no Puerto Ricans in important decission making command positions prior to WW II. Such as commanding an entire ship or submarine or division. You know what I mean? Maybe you can rephrase it. Tony the Marine 21:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

My comments: I understand what you mean. However, as a FA, this would have to be backed up with a reliable source. Do you think you can find something? — ERcheck (talk) 21:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources of additional information

Perhaps RADM DeLoach's staff would have access to unclassified historical data/archives on some of the open questions on a number of military personnel.

As far as being able to definitively say something about command opportunities, it is seeming like a better idea to find a different lead for that paragraph. — ERcheck (talk) 22:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Command roles

Tony wrote:"DeLoach has been suppling me lots of info for the project and so far he has reaffirmed my conclussion in regard to the PR. commanders. There have some more after WW II, but none before. Tony the Marine 23:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)"

Two questions on commanders:

  1. What is the precise way to say this? How would you define commander?
  2. How can it be verified? It would need citations.

Rather that focusing on "firsts" for command roles, how about distinguished service? Medal of Honor, commanding generals, etc.?

I know this seems like alot of word smithing. But, a solid introduction might be all that a person reads; or, it might make them want to read more.

— ERcheck (talk) 23:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Last paragraph of intro

I think the problem is trying to tie together three disparate concepts into one paragraph — first for women; command roles for men; and, numbers serving. Perhaps they don't all go together.

Concerning the last sentence — I've read two references that give numbers of Puerto Ricans serving during WW2. One says that the number of Hispanics wasn't tracked, but it gives numbers for Puerto Ricans. So, perhaps take out the note on Hispanics not tracked. Rather give the range of numbers for Puerto Ricans; and, perhaps, for contrast, compare it to the number serving during World War I.

— ERcheck (talk) 01:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Plácido Acevedo

The article Plácido Acevedo seems a little stiff, and could use your help to loosen it up, if you feel like it. Chris the speller 15:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I looked over Puerto Ricans in World War II, and there wasn't much to fix. Nice job! Chris the speller 18:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Puerto Ricans in World War II

Saludos, Tony. I've read the article, and I think you may have just written another FA article. Good job! I'm just dropping by to let you know that the article might get more traffic from outside Wikipedia given the controversy surrounding the recent Ken Burns WWII documentary.[1][2]. It may even be cited by the press, given its quality and attribution. Just thought you'd like to know. I'll keep my eyes open, just in case. Peace. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 21:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

From these links, it might be possible to get information from Maggie Rivas-Rodriguez (University of Texas), mentioned in the first link supplied above. Have you been in contact with Ms. Rivas-Rodriguez? — ERcheck (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Tony, thanks for the message. I had no idea, but the links you provided broke my heart a little, since I knew so many PROUD G.I.s from Northern New Mexico, who were 100% American, and were proud to have served their patria. Their experience has influenced so much about how I feel about things such as English-only legislation (very few of them spoke English with each other or around town), and what it means to be American. Look for my vote on your article, Tont, and thanks for keeping me updated, hombre. Murcielago 17:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Congrats! You've intrigued me with your message. Here is my e-mail: murcielagomeister@gmail.com, or drop a line at my talk page! Hasta la victoria, hermano. Murcielago 04:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Numbers for World War II

The various numbers that I've found (with citations)

  • 51,438 Puerto Ricans (as you said, this is from units from Puerto Rico) — source U.S. Army.[3]
  • "Over 53,000 Puerto Ricans served during the period 1940-1946..." and "200 Puerto Rican women served in the Women's Army Corps." — source neta.com.[4]
  • "From 1940 to 1946, more than 65,000 Puerto Ricans served in the American military, most of them going overseas." — source American Veteran's Committee for Puerto Rico Self-Determination.[5]

Perhaps putting something about numbers — Precise number from Puerto Rican units and range of estimates. — ERcheck (talk) 02:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you feel comfortable quoting the exact 51,438 figure and then adding something like ... "Estimates of the total number serving in the U.S. military range from 53,000 to 65,000." Then add the two citations? — ERcheck (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Tony responded: "The problem that I have with the estimates from both sites is that neither of them provide an explanation nor source as to how they reached those numbers. I'm afraid of what will happen if in the future if other sites pop-up with different estimates. I rather stick to the facts." Tony the Marine 03:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. — ERcheck (talk) 03:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Tony:

Congrats on Sylvia Méndez and your reinsertion of her name in the List of Puerto Ricans. I include the following comments which I sent to the same guy who cut her from the list:

==Gaspar Roca==

Great timing! As Don Gaspar was breathing his last breath Sunday night, you were deleting him as a "non-notable" journalist. The veritable explosion of articles on his life appearing, not only in today's El Vocero, but in competing newspapers, TV newscasts last night, radio newscasts and talk shows yesterday and this morning are the best evidence of how wrong you were in excising his name from the list of prominent Puerto Rican journalists. Even if you didn't consider him notable Sunday night as he lay on his deathbed, I hope you will consider him notable today and reinsert him into the list.

As much as I despise El Vocero and its politics, and the despicable journalism it has promoted in the past (I have personal reasons to feel this way, which don't belong here), Gaspar Roca's influence over Puerto Rican journalism is undeniable, notable, even remarkable in some aspects. I always thought myself that Roca was much better than his newspaper was. He definitely did quite a nice job of confronting the hegemonic view of Puerto Rico El Nuevo Día promotes (and I know Luis Alberto Ferré personally; he's a nice guy, but his family has a legacy to live up to... both good and bad). Roca not notable? Big mistake. My condolences to his family; he deserves his name in the list. Demf 21:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
==Rubén Sánchez==

Rubén Sánchez is probably the journalist with the greatest amount of airtime in news today. He's the highest-rated (and, fortunately, in broadcast media the ratings is the scientific method to determine if someone is currently notable) radio news commentator, continuously on the air from 5 am to 9 am on Univision Radio. From 10am to 12 noon he conducts the highest-rated radio news interview preogram, competing head-to-head with "La Mujer Noticia", Carmen Jovet. From 3 to 4 pm he moderates the only daily TV news interview program, which is the second highest rated daytime TV program in Puerto Rico, second only to "La Comay". On that particular broadcast, the call-in segment includes multiple stateside calls since he is one of the highest rated programs on WAPAmerica, the Hispanic superchannel that serves as the news and entertainment lifeline for many stateside Puerto Ricans. He is also a professor of journalism at Turabo University in Caguas. A former news director at Notiuno, he is certainly more notable than other journalists on the list, Rafael Bracero and Luz Nereida Vélez, to mention a couple. Reinsertion should be considered.

I met the guy once. Lovable schmuck, a definitive force in Puerto Rican journalism. We may reinsert him back... Demf 21:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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I can't understand some of the guy's criteria for removing people from the list, but I think that divine justice was done on Sunday when his removal of don Gaspar coincided with his passing. By the way, Don Gaspar and his El Vocero have been the strongest supporters of vets, particularly Vietnam Vets, not only in terms of employing vets, but in providing coverage to all vet-related ceremonies, particularly the yearly Memorial Day ceremonies at the Hato Tejas National Cemetery and the memorial in front of the Capitol.

A consejo requested, if the guy doesn't reinsert the names I've appealed, can I or anyone else reinsert them, or is it a done deal?

  • Anyone can reinsert, I know about Sanchez, I see his program sometimes. Just try to post a site which shows the person notability. Tony the Marine 20:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments on Proposed Deletion of List of churches in Fort Wayne, Indiana Requested

Someone has proposed deleting this spin off from the Fort Wayne page. Please drop by and comment. -- --CTSWyneken(talk) 19:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Walt Frazier image

Hi Tony, regarding your edit here- I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to. I see Image:Frazier with Santiago's.jpg, but I never saw any cropped version. I do agree, however, that a cropped one would be nice, since those two guys (is one of them you?) distract from the main subject of the image.

As for you "owning" the image, this isn't exactly true since you released it GPL (or CC). The licensing template which you added gives permission for any user to modify the image, which would include cropping it. If this wasn't your intention, I suggest you remove the licensing tag from that image. Let me know if you have any questions- Staecker 03:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

OK now I see other versions in the logs. I didn't realize that you're an admin- sorry for perhaps insulting your intelligence with my tone above. Would you consider undeleting the cropped versions? Staecker 03:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Purple Hearts from PR

You may want to check out this article on today's El Nuevo Día regarding an initiative to validate all the Purple Heart recipients from PR:

http://www.endi.com/noticia/puerto_rico_hoy/noticias/censo_boricua_de_corazones_purpura/194881 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.50.30.126 (talk) 04:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

  • This is great, but let me tell you it isn't going to be easy. Right now is a website that has done a fanstic job documenting the Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Air Force Cross and Distinguished Service Medal and it wasn't easy. They're working now on the Silver Star medal. Tony the Marine 04:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

On the FA! SGGH 07:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a fantastic story Tony, it really does make you pause when you realise how much of a change you can make to peoples lives with a little work. Good on you! You continue to lead a seemingly fascinating life! SGGH 14:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Not only have you become an ambassador to Wikipedia, you've really become an ambassador to Puerto Rican men and women who have served in the U.S. Military. Oorah! - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 18:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind me commenting - I have been linking with SGGH for a couple of things and I just read the details of this on her page. Well done. Be proud.--VS talk 04:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Andrés Vizcarrondo

Tony, do you know anything about this guy? Apparently he was a Puerto Rican military leader in Venezuela during the second half of the 19th. century. Rose to General, as far as I know. Demf 21:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Andrés Vizcarrondo was a Colonel in the Spanish Army who was appointed Mayor of San Juan in 1828. He became a believer and advocate of Puerto Rico Independence and in 1838 together with his brother Juan and some others, led their militia in a small uprising which failed. After I finish my next project, I'll do some research to see if I can write his bio and establish a connection with Venzuela. Tony the Marine 03:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

New big article target.

I've started another article that I hope to one day expand to a big, successful one like the rus-circassian one or the Mozambique one, see it at Colombian Civil War (1860-1862) I'm in the early stages of info gathering! SGGH 14:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, for starters I guess I like watching an article build, helps the flow maybe... I don't know. Plus others will find it and add to it while I'm working and I like that because they might know more than me, I very very very rarely get edit conflicts on articles (they all come when im working on AIV!). Oooo, the Pentagon, I'm sure they would be interested to hear my ideas (rolls eyes). I'll keep a look out for those two articles! SGGH 17:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes you did tell me about that, I just didn't realise they had asked you to write a specific article. If there's a gap in wiki coverage that you haven't plugged yet, it would be cool for you to point it out so I can write one of the articles from Tony the Marine's book! SGGH 18:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, what do you think about the idea of pushing Russian-Circassian War for A class, primarily just to get more insight on it from other users, the peer review wasn't particularly helpful... SGGH 18:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, the super critic :D she should be very helpful. Cheers! SGGH 19:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Looks smart! SGGH 19:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox request, etc.

Tony, Got your note. I've got a few matters to take care of in real life. I'll take a look within the next few hours. I've also left you an e-mail note. — ERcheck (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm working in your sandbox right now. I'll let you know when I take a break — so we can avoid edit conflicts. — ERcheck (talk) 21:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've done a first pass at the introduction. I suggest that you find citations for two items:

  1. The origin of the word "Admiral". I know it is in the Admiral article, but it is uncited thare.
  2. The Congressional authorization for the appointment of rear admirals. Can you find a USN source?

I'll hang back for a while — give you a chance to find these citations. Let me know and I'll go on to the rest.

— ERcheck (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Additional comments
  • Note that your "according to Rear Admiral Jay A. DeLoach" will need to be referenced. — ERcheck (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • In Naval Academy section, I think the first sentence of the second paragarph — "According to Rear Admiral Jay A. DeLoach, the first Hispanic-American to graduate from the academy was Commodore Robert F. Lopez, of the class of 1879." — should be deleted, as the article is about Admirals, not officers. — ERcheck (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • More in the USNA section — most of the introductory material doesn't add significantly to the topic of Hispanic admirals. Do you perhaps have historical statistics on number of Hispanics attending the academy; promotion opportunities for Hispanic graduates, etc.? This would then tie into reaching the highest rank in the USN. — ERcheck (talk) 22:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Civil War section: "flag officer" (a term which the U.S. Navy preferred over Admiral) — needs citation. — ERcheck (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Though I've not completed my review, I think the article is ready to put in Main space for general consumption and input from other editors. — ERcheck (talk) 22:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

With regard to citations, for this and future articles, even if you don't have full citation formatting, if for online sources you would add "Retrieved" and the date you accessed the internet site, it would make my followup formatting easier. Thanks. BTW, I'm going to wait to format the rest of the citations until after you get the final info from DeLoach. It's just my preference to do them all at once. — ERcheck (talk) 00:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Last comment
  • Additional references found. Citations formatted.
  • On remaining issue - the "Current" list has some redundancy with earlier info. One example, RADM DeLoach is mentioned twice. One way to handle it is to include all of the information in the first entry, and then have a note referencing the section above in which the brief profile is written.

— ERcheck (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that you made that edit. I've made internal links to the alumni section. Good to go. — ERcheck (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hispanic Americans in the USNA article

I will get on that section as soon as possible, I actually met the first Hispanic brigade commander when I visited the Naval Academy in October. I'm still waiting to here from the Academy so if you get the chance to put in a good word for me that would be great! Let me know if there might be any other work for Hispanic Americans in the Navy.--Joebengo 04:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Autographs

I've started my own autograph collection, lol. Many millions of miles before it's anything like yours but I thought you would might find it interesting, I've got Lucy Shuker's and Marcus Trescothick's so far! SGGH 10:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I live in The West Country, would look somewhat daft if I wondered up to a hotel here in a tux, plus aside from Johnny Depp, Terry Pratchett and Nicholas Cage (I think) there are hardly ever celebrities here! Though an ex girlfriend of mine was friends with Corinne Bailey Rae and I almost got her autograph. I wouldn't be as nosey as to ask who you're friends with... SGGH 18:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Question

You are welcome. When will you be back? — ERcheck (talk) 00:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure, OK to refer admin questions to me. Have a safe trip. — ERcheck (talk) 01:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Flag officer vs Admiral

Quoting from your note (excerpts):

"Commodore is an official flag rank when used during wartime and is a one-star admiral, equivalent today to rear admiral (lower half). Commodore is also used as a title when in command of a squadron of ships or submarines.... In the case of Robert Lopez, his rank is an official flag officer rank earned during WWI. Since the Civil War, the flag officer ranks and names in the Navy have varied.... All that Robert Lopez should not be removed from the list of Hispanic Admirals because he is an official flag officer."

Completely confused. See Navy Civil War Chronology, specifically the Farragut entries. In 1862, there are two of entries for Farragut, calling him "Flag Officer D.G. Farragut", prior to the July entry giving his full name and indicating he was the first Rear Admiral and that it was a promotion. Thus, his "flag rank" seems not to be an equivalent grade to Rear Admiral. Could it be that Flag Officer was equivalent to today's Rear Admiral Lower Half (RDML, one-star) and his Rear Admiral rank was equivalent to Rear Admiral Upper Half (RADM, two-star).

I think this needs to be clarified, both in the new article and in Admiral (United States). Of course, there will need to be references. — ERcheck (talk) 04:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to imply that DeLoach is incorrect, but rather that I need more information in order to understand the usage of "admiral" versus "flag officer". I understand that in today's Navy, "flag officer" is equivalent to "general officer" (USMC) [6], referring to O-7 through O-10. Since Farragut was promoted from Flag Officer (1862) to Rear Admiral (1862) to Vice Admiral (1864) to Admiral (1866), it suggests that his 1862 Flag Officer rank was equivalent to O-7 (one-star). Finding old law is not as easy as finding current law. — ERcheck (talk) 10:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a source for Commodore Lopez' profile? — ERcheck (talk) 10:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)