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[edit] Comment 1
I removed the phase saying that marzipan was "from the baltic coast of Germany". Marzipan is made in many other places. Possibly what was meant to be said was that marzipan was invented originated there? If so, please say so more clearly, rather than saying that being from there is part of the definition of marzipan. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 18:08, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Australian slang?
An anon editor added the below text to the article. This isn't mentioned at http://www.aussieslang.com/ so I thought to be safe I'd move it here until this can be confirmed and commented on by an editor fluent in Australian slang. -- Infrogmation 07:51, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Aussie Slang
The Australian slang 'Marzipan' is a term given to any Australian employee who exhibits any or all of the following workplace traits:
1. Extreme laziness and/or indolence
2. A morbid indifference to trait #1, and to his or any of his workmates' other deficiencies
3. A tendency to blather and indulge in situation comedy that is often only faintly amusing
The Marzipan of a company is visually characterised by a shambling gait and unkempt, Benita-from-Playschool style hair. He can be found wearing faded, ungainly and slightly outdated clothing, and is often to be discovered sporting a bottled nose, perhaps as a result of alcohol abuse at an earlier age.
Although seemingly harmless to those around him, due to his aforementioned nature the Marzipan can have devastating effects upon workplace morale and productivity. It is therefore recommended that all employers give this creature a wide berth.
The term itself is taken from the otherwise incoherent ramblings of one such individual.
[edit] 8th century?
Lübeck and the surrounding area were Germanized by Henry the Lion in the 12th century. Please provide documentation - if possible - for this claim before putting it back. Septentrionalis 02:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Inability to eat / extreme aversion?
I personally like marzipan, but my father is totally unable to eat it or even get it near his mouth. He says that bringing it anywhere near his face results in retching and a perceived need to throw up. I've heard of others who say they can't eat marzipan, as well. Is this due to the chemical make-up of marzipan, say the presence of some chemical that only a minority of people are able to detect, or is it less interesting? Hammerite 20:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
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- I hate marzipan. It's got a horrible taste and smell. I'm not alergic to it though. My father is the same.--Strato 15:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- That's a shame. I love marzipan. Stochastic 23:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Is Persipan known in the English speaking world?
I'm from Germany and i noticed that in this article, and in the English wikipedia at all, there is no reference to Persipan. Is it unknown in the English speaking world? It is very widespread in Germany. The taste is very similar to marzipan, and most (German) customers are even unable to recognize persipan by taste. They think it's marzipan. It was originally a marzipan replacement, but became a normal part of German cuisine since WWII. Persipan is often used by German confectioneries, if they want a more "fruity" taste for their products. In fact persipan is a marzipan, were the almonds are replaced by the stones(!) of peaches or/and apricots.
Is this really unknown outside Germany?86.56.0.159 11:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Not exactly. I think the issue is the definition of Marzipan outside of Germany, Italy and perhaps a few other places. In those two countries, Marzipan is specifically defined as containing almond; outside those countries, it may contain apricot kernels. So, Marzipan, as it exists in other countries, may be equivalent to either Marzipan or Persipan in Germany. (This is mostly an educated guess, I'd have to research this to verify it. Note also that I'd never previously known the name Persipan.) Mindmatrix 14:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, marzipan candy in the US frequently has kernels in it. If it does, it tastes awful to me, but I wonder if that's the "bitter almond" flavor the article speaks of?Bonitakale 16:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] EU law
"Under EU law, marzipan must have a minimum almond oil content of 14% and a maximum moisture content of 8.5%." And how does EU law deal with marchpane that does not meet this requirement, does it simply classify it as "not marzipan" (or something else)? Myrtone
- No need to deal with it. Calling it Marzipan would be against the rule, so the manufacturer would have to call it something else, like "almond paste" or something. Pipatron (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mazapán
This article claims that marzipan and mazapán are the same thing. In México, mazapán is a type of candy that is made out of peanuts, and it's eaten all year round. I am mexican, and I grew up eating it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.123.180 (talk • contribs)
- Quite probably its origin is the same but the almond nuts had to be substituted for whichever else what available in America (i.e. cacahuates). Regards, Asteriontalk 07:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The article does not reflect well other possible geographic origins, such as Toledo, Spain (850-900, though more probably 1150 during Alfonso VII period, then known as Postre Regio instead of Mazapán) and Sicily (1193, known as panis martius or marzapane, i.e. March Bread)[1]. In both cases, there is a reason to believe that there is a clear Arabic influence for historical reasons[2] (both regions have recently been under Muslim control) and there are also mentions in The Book of One Thousand and One Nights of an almond paste eaten during Ramadan and as an aphrodisiac[3]. Other sources establish the origin of marzipan in China, from where the recipe moved on to the Middle East and then to Europe through Al-Andalus[4]. Your thoughts? E Asterion u talking to me? 20:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't write this article, but I am watching it. My thoughts are that your sources are better than the article's! Please feel free to expand and correct it. Melchoir 21:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm actually going to Luebeck in less than two weeks for a couple of days. I will wait until then before expanding the article. Basically, I will use this chance to try to find out more info on Luebecker Marzipan too. Cheers, E Asterion u talking to me? 16:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] US definition of marzipan
As far as I can see, there is no US definition of almond paste or marzipan. I've changed the article to reflect that. Wish there were one, kind of.Bonitakale 16:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] OLD JEWISH ORIGIN OF MARZIPAN
In my Family there was a story that the name "Marzipan" comes from two words MARZI & PAN. "Marzi" is the old Ladino (Jewish Spanish) way of saying the name Mordechai. "Pan" is bread. "Mordechai Bread" in ancient Hebrew would be "Pat Mordechai" which is the Hebrew name of Marzipan. In Hebrew letters:פת מרדכי The story was that the origin of Marzipan comes from Jewish sweet makers from Toledo, Spain.
[edit] Tallinn
You know, Tallinn is also told to be te origin town of marzipan but i dont see anything about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.77.150 (talk) 21:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it is. It should definately be mentioned.
[edit] Winter cuisine?
Could anyone explain please why this category applies to Marzipan? There is no reason given in the article for this categorization. --Catgut (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
