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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 05:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] strange
I find many of the things stated in the article strange. For example how Mary Read found out that Anne Bonny was a woman or the claim that Mary Read married a sailor (as opposed to a soldier). I think the article needs to be revised.
- In addition, the image accompanying the entry is unattributed, and seems to me to have been printed in the 19th century, (100+ years after Mary Read was allegedly active).--Galliaz 22:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Mary was basicsaly a bitch right?
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Heh ... how about this for strange: "Bonny disappeared from the historical record, possibly having been bought out of prison by her wealthy and prominent father."
So ... ummm ... how do we know that she ever existed? She disappeared from the historical record. Furthermore, now that she "reappeared" in the Historical record at Wikipedia, should this be changed? Should we bake her a cake? It is, after all, her 're-birthday'. Without any historical record to back up her existence, it seems she should be deleted entirely. I mean, "disappeared from the historical record"? Seriously? That's lower than being an Urban Legend. At least ULs have a historical record.
I find much of this article to be suspect in both its origin and its facts.
16:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
By peppering the article with suspect hyperbole, some folks who wanted to add "flavor" have made me doubt the actual existence of Mary Read.
16:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Citations and Sources
The Captain Johnson/DeFoe History of the Pyrates is certainly a compendium and compilation of information. However, although it mimics a work of history or non-fiction very effectively, it isn't really a standard history that we can use as a primary source without describing it in some detail in the entry. Although parts of it follow newspaper accounts closely, other parts describe people and events that never existed and were invented by the author. (DeFoe invented several characters, events, and details for thematic or narrative effect.) Our problem as present-day readers is that it wasn't 18th century literary practice to explain to the reader that a text was a mixture of reportage and invention. Manuel Schonhorn's extensive scholarly introduction to the 1999 Dover Press edition is essential reading. (This was originally published in 1972; Schonhorn updated the introduction and bibliography for the Dover edition of 1999.)
We should revise the entry to reflect that the information we have on MR is primarily derived from this problematic single account (and the descriptions of the trial).
One last thing: I also think there's a big problem with the way the recent History Channel documentary is being used as a source to substantiate information in the entry. I believe the entry should actually list who actually provided the information that's cited from the documentary: did the "talking head" from the documentary provide a source for their information, or were they speculating on camera? Have they written an article or book that we can cite in the entry? Most importantly, could a researcher check the speaker's sources in order to independently verify what they have said (about MR's child, for example)? --Galliaz 15:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
7/17/2006-There is either an error on this page regarding the death of Ann Bonney in 1721, or an error on the Ann Bonny page stating that there are no records of her hanging. I'm not sure, as I am someone who is just looking this up and not a historian, but I thought it should be investigated and corrected either way.
[edit] "Pyrates" does not say any of that.
Captain Charles Johnson's work, A General History of the Pyrates, needs to be reread. He never says that Mary Read and Anne Bonny were romantically involved. He says that Bonny was attracted to Read and therefore told her that she was a woman. Read knew immediately why Bonny was telling her this and so knew that her secret could not be kept. Therefore, she then told Bonny that she herself was a woman. So, there never was a romantic relationship. However, Calico Jack was upset by the close relationship between his lover, Bonny, and Read, whom he still assumed to be a man. So, Bonny told Jack that Read was indeed a woman in order to quell his jealousy.
Also, Read did not show her breasts to Calico Jack. The text clearly states that she did this to a passenger that their crew had recently captured and force to stay on. Read fell so in love with this man that when he began to show signs of friendship with her, she was not careful about protecting her secret. One day she accidently exposed white "very white" breasts to the man. Yet still she did not admit her sex. It was not until he pressed her on the issue continually that she told him that she was in fact a woman. They quickly fell in love. In fact, there is a long and quite compelling story about their love, including the poing that this man was the father of the child the saved her from being hanged. This story should be included in this article. --Bt1159 19:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pesky kids
I'm guessing some kids were researching a project, and maybe decided to fiddle with the article by inserting words like "sexy" and "hoes". My favourite line is "Read then found work as a football...". Anybody care to re-write? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.222.167 (talk) 21:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Birth?
Under early life, first sentence: Mary Read was born in Wisconsin to the widow of a sea captain.
however, to the right of the article: Place of birth: London
- ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.10.127.123 (talk) 07:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
