Talk:Mary Kay Letourneau

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The no-contact order between MKL and her victim has been lifted by a Seattle court. If they wind up living together in short order it wouldn't be too surprising and would merit adding to the article. --Wac 17:12, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The section on "Mass with Mary" seems to be ripped off from the amazon.com editorial review of same (or vice versa). David Battle

The "Mass with Mary" thing also reads a little bit commercial... is it relevant news or just an ad planted by the publishers? Bsktcase 05:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Name change 2 Where did that image come from? 3 Removal of birthdate because of privacy concerns and Wiki guidelines 4 Bipolar disorder? 5 Reaction of Samoan community? 6 It Happened At My School Too 7 Mary's original name 8 Classification as an "Incarcerated Celebrity" 9 WikiProject class rating 10 Bipolar disorder?

[edit] Name change

Is she changing her name after she marries Villi? (Alphaboi867 06:24, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC))

• Oppose name change. It will be a LONG time before she is better known as anything but "Mary Kay Letourneau". Niteowlneils 06:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• her 15 minutes were over when he became of legal age. Leave the article where it is, Letourneau is the name the public will remember. redirect Fualaau. SchmuckyTheCat 14:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• most common name by which she is known: Mary Kay Letourneau. Her committment to using her former student's surname: non-existent. Leave it where it lies. - Nunh-huh 06:26, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose name change. Mary Kay Letourneau's case transcends her involvement with Vili Fualaau, as it is relevant to a more general question about the degree the legal system is justified intervening in affaires de coeur. David Cruise 22:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

--Er, I didn't think there was all that much debate about the acceptability of people in their 30s having sex with sixth graders. I do agree that the name should stay Letourneau, though.24.131.12.228 01:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• Also, the Washington State sex offender registry ( http://ml.waspc.org/Accept.aspx ) lists her as "Letourneau, Mary Katherine". Therefore, Oppose. -- 12.116.162.162 19:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Even if the article title is called Mary Kay Letourneau, the header in the article should read her new name and that she was formerly known as Mary Kay Letourneau. --Mezaco 21:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 10:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where did that image come from?

Is there any particular reason that this article uses such a badly photoshopped (gimped?) image placing Letourneau in front of a romantic sunset? What a strange choice.Phiwum 10:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

• I was just thinking the same thing. It seems highly unlikely that that image really is GFDL. Someone should just upload the mugshot or some other fair use photo from the press.--Pharos 23:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of birthdate because of privacy concerns and Wiki guidelines

I removed the exact day and month of Mary Kay Letourneau's birth according to the guidelines at BLP which specifically recommend that editors do not include exact birthdates in articles about living people. The reason for this is explained at BLP, but the practice of not including such information is common among reputable publishers. Her exact birthdate is of no relevance to why she is notable, and it is completely unneccesary addition of information that violates her right to privacy. We only need include information about why she is notable. (see BLP for guidance) Vivaldi 07:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

That is the gayest thing I've ever heard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.66.200.136 (talk • contribs) .

Revealing her phone number and/or address would be a violation of privacy. The day she was born is a matter of public record. (Alphaboi867 02:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC))

Birthdates are not notable. Nobody cares. Tempshill 21:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bipolar disorder?

There appear to be numerous reports on the web that she had been diagnosed with, and treated for bipolar disorder, for example [1], [2]. If this is verifiable, it probably belongs in the article. -- The Anome 16:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reaction of Samoan community?

In the years since this story broke, I've never heard a word from Seattle's large Samoan community or anyone living in Samoa, or elsewhere in Hawaii and the West Coast of the USA. They must have had something to say about it. Not surprisingly, there's nothing here on Wikipedia either. PSVY 17:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It Happened At My School Too

At my high school, we had a case of a young female teacher becoming romantically involved with a grade 11 student. They never kissed or had sex, but an inappropriate relationship developed between them. At the end of the year, the teacher knew she couldn't continue to see the student and teach there, so she moved to another school. During the student's grade 12 year, they continued thier romantic relationship, and upon graduation he married her. They are still currently married. I think this sort of thing happens far more than we think it does, and that its just kept secret. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raindreamer (talk • contribs) 00:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Mary's original name

Mary was born Mary Katherine Schmitz. Shouldn't that be included in the article somehow? - NGC6254 09:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Classification as an "Incarcerated Celebrity"

Should she really be included in this group? Her sole claim to being a celebrity is for the acts that caused her to be incarcerated, and she has no fame beyond this. My thoughts on this is that to be included in the category of Incarcerated Celebrities, the person should be a celebrity before and/or after the incarceration, for reasons not directly related to the acts resulting in the incarceration.

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bipolar disorder?

There appear to be numerous reports on the web that she had been diagnosed with, and treated for bipolar disorder, for example [3], [4]. If this is verifiable, it probably belongs in the article. -- The Anome 16:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)