Talk:Mary Hanafin

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard.

This page is about an active politician who is running for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some political conflict or controversy. Because of this, this article is at risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism.

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.	Biography Portal
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ]
	This article is supported by the Politics and government work group.

It is requested that a picture or pictures of this person be included in this article to improve its quality. Note: Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images (such as promotional photos, press photos, screenshots, book covers and similar) to merely show what a living person looks like. Efforts should be made to take a free licensed photo during a public appearance, or obtaining a free content release of an existing photo instead.

	Ireland Portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ireland, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Ireland on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, visit the project page.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the Project's quality scale. (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the priority scale.
	An image is requested for this article as its inclusion will substantially increase the significance of the article. Please remove the image-needed parameter once the image is added.

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, an attempt to improve, organise and standardise Wikipedia's articles in the area of politics. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Article Grading: The article has not been rated for quality and/or importance yet. Please rate the article and then leave comments here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article..

[edit] Quality

June 2007 - Full of weasel words, and congratulatory opinions "This was one of the newly-expanded junior ministry positions created by the new government in 1997, and, although it did not hold cabinet rank, it was regarded as a hugely important position." Lookng at the history of comments, this is not a new problem. Previous attempts at removing them have not been wholly successful. If the plague persists, I would suggest putting a warnings/lock on the page. CCKKAB

[edit] Irish Language

Mary is an Irish language speaker and should be included in the new category "Category:Irish (Gaeilge) language speakers"

What is the point of this category? It'll end up including nearly every Irish politician past and present, because they all would claim to speak Irish? Snappy56 (talk) 05:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I just noticed this new category, and (unless there is a counter argument I'm not aware of) I'll be nominating it for deletion. Categories are normally intended to group subjects by NOTABLE attribute. Cat attributes should be specific, neutral, inclusive and (above all) verifiable. Whether or how a subject get's included in this cat will be subjective, and - frankly - pointless. Problems with this cat are:

• Relevance. Compare (for example) a notional category of "Be-spectacled people". It may be factual to create such a cat, and put Sigmund Freud in it, but IT'S NOT RELEVANT that he wore glasses. Or anyone else for that matter. Unless the wearing of glasses was contributory to their notability.
• Verifiability. Exactly what standard of Irish would warrant a subject's inclusion in this article? And how do you verify it?
• Over-population. Anyone who went to school in Ireland since the late 1920s was taught Irish. Does that mean that every article who's subject fits this criteria should be included?
• Precedence. We have (for example) no category for Spanish speakers or English speakers or similar. Because it's just not appropriate. Why is Irish any different?

Etc. Guliolopez (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Guliolopez. Go on, take it to WP:CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Nom as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_May_12#Category:Irish_.28Gaeilge.29_language_speakers. Guliolopez (talk) 12:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)