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how do you run yourself over with your own car?


obviously a piece of that needs to move to another page when it exists...

oh, foo. I liked "September Eleventh" (Do you remember the day you first heard the capital E?...neither do i, but I heard it =) -- Kwantus

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[edit] is this true?

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne] According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."

[edit] Changes since 911 Loose Change 2nd ed was released

It's interesting to note that all the mentions of links between Marvin Bush and the 9/11 killings have been removed. The screenshot of this page used in the video 911 Loose Change 2nd edition is quite different than the current page.

In fact, given the current Dubai Ports World "discussions" entertaining the body politic, it's even more interesting that the following was removed without comment from this page (but is preserved in less freely-editable versions of the page):

"Marvin sat on the boards of both HCC and Securacom/Stratesec at the same time, and both companies had a commercial interest in the World Trade Center complex. This information is required to be disclosed through SEC proxy filings but was not http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1037453/0000928385-99-001383.txt http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/888919/0001047469-99-016818.txt.

The proxy for Stratesec also omitted Marvin Bush's directorship at Fresh Del Monte Produce (FDP), a company run by Mohammed Abu-Ghazale hhttp://www.freshdelmonte.com/content.cfm?pageID=56, who has a business background in several middle eastern countries, including Dubai and Kuwait. No SEC investigations into the omission of the required proxy disclosures are publicly known."

It could be argued that Abu-Ghazale's involvement with Dubai is unrelated to Marvin Bush. However, the timing of the removal is strange.

Haha. Yeah. That's why I came to this article. savidan(talk) (e@) 14:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone establish whether or not this is a fact about Marvin Bush? The links above show that it was not recorded in SEC proxy filings, so they are no help. Can anyone cite a reference that would enable this to be put back into the article, so that any subsequent removal can legitimately be reverted? 203.217.72.38 05:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I just clicked on the SEC proxy filing listings above, and they show Marvin was a director. Therefore why shouldn't this be inserted back into the article? I quote:
Marvin P. Bush (4)(5) shares 100,564 1.7%
Marvin P. Bush, age 41, has served as a director of the Company since 1993.Mr. Bush is a director of Winston Partners Group, Inc., a private investment firm he founded in 1994, and has been a member of the Board of Directors of Kerrco Inc., an oil and gas company, since 1989. Prior to founding the Winston Group, Mr. Bush was a partner at John Stewart Darrell & Company, an investment advisory firm, and was employed by Shearson Lehman as a Vice President/Financial Consultant.
203.217.72.38 05:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Sounds reliable enough that someone should put the bit about Securacom/Stratesec back in. Apparently there are also sources to back up the fact that Stratesec handled security for the WTC, but someone needs to verify the dates. 67.171.215.253 23:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Barbara Bush's Memoirs"?

"Marvin Bush and Securacom/Stratesec were in charge of security at the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport, and United Airlines during a two year contract which was set to end on September 10th, 2001, only a day before the 9/11 attacks."

Marvin Bush was reported as a director of the company Securacom/Stratesec until June 2000; claiming he was in charge of the security at the World Trade Center is an exaggeration, like saying that Robert Rubin builds automobiles (he's on the board of Ford Motor Company).

The citation for the claim that the contract was due to expire on September 10, 2001 is "Barbara Bush's Memoirs". This contradicts the citation in [9/11 Conspiracy Theories [1]] which says:

"This last statement has been used by some conspiracy theorists to say that the contract "expired" on September 11, 2001. Barbara Bush confirmed this theory in her book 'Reflections' also stating 9/11 was the day the contract expired."

So which is it? Barbara Bush's A Memoir or Barbara Bush's Reflections? My best guess is neither. A Memoir was published in 1994, well before the events of 9-11. Reflections was published in 2003, and contains a short chapter on September 2001 (the book mostly covers 1993-2000). There is no discussion in that chapter of Marvin's board work; the mention of him being in the subway under Wall Street on 9-11 is confirmed. A search of the book on Amazon for "contract" returned zero mentions, as did "expired", "Stratesec" and "Securacom".

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.72.38 (talk • contribs)

I agree completely, this article is full of rubbish. It is ok to put uncited material into an article when it is not suspect, but this is clearly dubious at best. Read this blog article for more information. Nathan J. Yoder 11:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Article for Deletion?

Well if this article is full of rubbish, and if no one has the ability, time, or inclination to at least remove what is plausibly non-factual, then perhaps we should just delete the article entirely. Hi There 15:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't delete it, facts will become clearer in the future (whatever they are)

I also vote against deletion. The article contains plenty of facts about a notable person. For those facts you care to dispute, please do your duty as an editor and improve the article. 204.42.27.8 00:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead babysitter

Interesting circumstances surround the accidental death of Marvin Bush's babysitter, Champagne, September 29, 2003 "found crushed to death by her own vehicle in a driveway in front of the Bush family home in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County. [She] reportedly lived at the Bush family home. " Source: http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-16-03/discussion.cgi.16.html. Although I tend to agree the younger Bush's various business connections to security firms involved in 9/11 is more interesting. It is odd the way accidental death surrounds the Bush family. Although there have been far more non-accidental deaths as a direct result. Would any editor or contributor care to write up the information about the Marvin Bush family babysitters unusual death at the Bush family residence and add it to the article? 204.42.27.8 00:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] No mention of Marvin Bush in fathers G.H.W.Bush article

Why has there been no mention of and no link to Marvin Bush on his fathers pages for all this time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.172.204.59 (talk) 14:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC).