Talk:Marvin Bower

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[edit] NPOV

Adding the {{NPOV}} tag to the article, 130.82.165.210 wrote:

This is a very one-sided view providing a hymn-like praise for a rather doubtful man. It was presumably written by a McKinsey consultant. A more balanced view and focus on biographical details should be put in this place.

I (MementoVivere) have moved this to the talk page, where it belongs, so that it can be discussed. I neither endorse nor oppose this view.

I've never seen an NPOV tag that's been up for eight months before. In any case, I agree that the last paragraph needs to go. The sentence: "He protested being named one by BusinessWeek as one of the top businesspeople of the 20th century on the grounds that he was a professional, not a businessman, could probably stay if it was sourced, but I'm not leaving it as is. Since nobody's made a comment here since the tag's been added, I'm going to delete the offending paragraph and remove the tag without further discussion. --djrobgordon 23:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Nothing offensive about the paragraph, so I reinserted it. I also included a number of online references to substantiate it. I haven't run across anyone who said that Marvin (yes, I knew him) was "doubtful." Even people who are critical of McKinsey are respectful of him. --Leifern 23:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Going too far

Stumbled across this. Bower's important role in the development of the field of management consulting has been documented in a variety of sources -- a quick Google shows up commentary at Consulting Magazine, the BBC, and various other presumably independent business sites, as well as through McKinsey. So I don't quite understand what NPOV issues prompted a gutting of anything beyond pure biographic details. Can someone point me to some controversy to indicate that the view originally presented prior to Djrobgordon's edits was truly one-sided? Otherwise I propose to (in a few months, to give a chance for someone to respond) bring back the deleted content and merely tone down some of the laudatory adjectives. Martinp 18:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added the sisterlinks template

Currently only Wikiquotes leads to a result. Lacking the expertise to add only one sisterlink, I used the complete template as is done in the Al Core article. Despite the large gap in publicly qvailable material, I think we are going to hear more about Marvin Bower, the professional. His occupation as a leader of consultants to top businesspersons depended on confidentiality. Bernd in Japan 02:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)