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[edit] Marvel Universe Roleplaying Game

The Marvel Universe Roleplaying Game is a different name and should have a different article. I'll do the article if I have time, but that's unlikely.--69.166.45.32 19:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the MURPG is sufficiently different. --Rossumcapek 05:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gaming Supplementals

No, we are not going to cut and paste the entire product line into this wiki article, or anywhere else. Keep your commerials off of here. -- 69.109.253.116 07:59, 3 February 2006


I found the product list to be useful information. There's no link to any sellers, and the products have all been out of print for years, so accusing it of being a commercial seems baseless. -- 209.178.134.24 12:37, 3 February 2006


Hi erveybody,
I'm the author of the Supplementals section of this article.
Though I'm honored in some way that 69.109.253.116 wrongly accuses my well researched/compiled list of gaming supplementals as an excerpt from an official source like a database from a publisher or a trader, I definitive disagree with the complete deletion of the Supplementals section for the following reasons:
  • as 209.178.134.24 wrote
    • The list could be useful info for many, many people (it doesn't seem fair to deny them these info)
    • There are no direkt links to any sellers (I only provided Wikipedia-ISBN-Links)
    • These products are indeed loooooong out of print and many of them are very hard to find nowadays (even harder when you don't know exactly the title or the ISBN, some traders even deny that certain supplementals were ever published!)
  • The shown table only features information. There is neither advertising/praise nor rating of the mentioned products.
I'm a biiiiig Marvel fan and I'm gathering information of secondary literature from Marvel (like this list) over years now ...with all my heart an soul! And I want to share this difficult researched information. Therefore the sorrow about sombody recklessly trashing the Supplemental section hits me even deeper!
Pleeeease, before you trash somebodies work, go to the discussion page first and ask other people about their opinion! If you dislike the mentioning of some facts (for example the Original Price info) go and write about it. We'll probably find a way where everybody can live with. If not, there are other possibilities like a straw poll for example...
Be bold! ...but please also be fair!
(At this place I want to thank Ty for providing the list of supplementals from which I started yeeeears ago!)
Weapon X (de) 16:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


As above, I feel the list should stay; it's a useful resource. There is plenty of precedence for keeping info of this sort (e.g., List of Dungeons & Dragons modules, List of Shadowrun books, List of Werewolf: The Apocalypse books). Perhaps it should be moved to a separate article – "List of Marvel Super Heroes supplements" or similar? -- Muchness 03:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


Moving the list to a separate article would make sense, I vote for that. Also, this page could be better categorized so that its not one big blob. I will leave that for someone with a little more knowledge of the subject matter. -- Hetar 05:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


That's fine with me... -- Weapon X (de) 15:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] character creation

Welcome to David E. Martin, and thanks for writing the superb UPB.

I still think that character creation in MSH stinks, though. Random rolls are not at all like the way that Marvel characters get their powers. Marvel characters don't get powers randomly -- a writer or artist conceives of a character and his or her powers, guided by a concept, imagination, or logic. Using the character creation rules in either boxed set, or the UPB, results in (unsuprisingly) random hodgepodges of abilities and powers. I'll illustrate by making a character right now, using the Advanced Set rules.

Origin: Alien
Fighting: Monstrous (63)
Agility: Feeble (1)
Strength: Remarkable (26)
Endurance: Amazing (46)
Reason: Monstrous (63)
Intuition: Typical (5)
Psyche: Excellent (16)

That was pretty darn good, since I got three 96+ rolls. But it still illustrates how bizarre things can get: a super fighting alien (or god, or extra-dimensional being), better than Captain America or the Hulk, but clumsier than the Man-Thing or Aunt May. Say what? Oh, and it's a super-genius.

Three Powers:
Matter Control (Typical)
Distance Attack (Good)
Body Alterations/Defensive (Good)

Two Talents:
Crime
Occult Lore

Uh, is this John Constantine from space? But also a godlike fighter clumsier than Aunt May? With three rather weak powers? Huh? (The UPB, btw, makes this worse, since it has so many more possible combinations.)

In years of play, I always found that the GM and the players had to engage in extensive ad hoc adjustments, tinkering, and frequent outright ignoring of dice rolls to create characters that were comparable in coherence and logic to comic book characters. Since the game's goal is to simulate that genre (which it does admirably in many other ways), I have to say the character creation system is a botch. This is all POV, of course, but that's why I had to delete the comparison to "real" Marvel characters. It's just not so. 4.232.132.120 04:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't actually know where the above stuff came from, but if random rolling and GM Fiat get to you so badly (and I do agree that random rolling doesn't make much sense), I know there're point-based character creation schemes out there, like this one. So there ya go. Elemental Knight 15:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Useable source for Wikipedia?

Since nothing for this game has been published in nearly 20 years, and the company that made it no longer exists, is the material still under copyright? Does WotC/Hasbro own the copyrights? If not, can the materials be used as sources for Wikipedia articles? Dr Archeville 20:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The last supplements for MSH published by TSR came out in 1993, so it's more like thirteen years instead of twenty. All of TSR's copyrights are Hasbro's now. And even if the game lapsed out of copyright, the characters all still belong to Marvel, and the game was only released under a license with Marvel. 4.232.123.124 22:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:RPG Marvel Super Heroes AS.jpg

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BetacommandBot 18:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)