Talk:Martina Navratilova

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1 Where is the timeline?
2 Birthplace?
3 Accents
4 performance timeline
5 Homophobia
6 L Word question
7 Doubles titles: 177 or 178?
8 Personal Life
9 Animal treatment activist
10 Clarified reference to Amendment 2 in the "Activism and politics" section
11 Question regarding opening summary
12 This Article is Really Long

[edit] Where is the timeline?

Someone take pain to make the timeline. Vivek 21:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

A Doubles and Mixed Doubles timeline is in dire need given that she has won a career Grand Slam in both events. 202.89.163.157 (talk) 13:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Birthplace?

While the main article says she was born in Prague, the Bio Panel on the right says Řevnice. While, yes, I know that they are quite close, they aren't the same place. Would someone like to confirm and fix it?

Her own biography published in 1985 with G. Vecsey indicates she was born in Prague, as does her own official website. The village of Revnice is just outside Prague, about 30 minutes by train. Montydad (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accents

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was not moved. Most common English usage is Martina Navratilova. Joelito (talk) 13:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Oppose common English spelling is without accents. Just look at the varous matches on NBC, ESPN, etc, and how they spell it. She's also a US citizen, what's her legal US name? 70.51.11.34 06:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
support so what? even if you are a US citizen, you are entitled to have your name written correctly with diacritics. Gryffindor 13:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe she's changed it herself. Just because that's the standard Czech spelling, doesn't mean she has to use it now she's a US citizen. Matches on US sports websites are equally irrelevant, as they often drop diacritics from all names. The only relevant question is how MN herself writes it, and I suspect nobody here knows the answer. — sjorford ++ 14:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Support We write people's name correctly here. End of debate. Silversmith Hewwo 00:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- I feel like I'm not even here... — sjorford ++ 08:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] performance timeline

As discussed in the (Talk:Andre Agassi), its time to standardize the performance timeline look. I for one think that the current timeline is unattractive, and I think that the previous tri-color model was far easier to read, and much more pleasing to the eye. I am currently changing the timeline to the current standard, and if anyone would like it changed back, please discuss the change before making it, preferrably on the Andre Agassi talk page, a page where it seems more people interested in this debate frequent.

[edit] Homophobia

Please don't excise material that provides counterpoint to the expressions of homophobia in the article, such as Martina's comment about gay people being sent to insane asylums, her father's attitude that she was sick, and the inference that people choose to be gay or are converted. Obviously, I'm not saying Martina is making a homophobic comments or that people who have worked on this article are intentionally biasing it. But, the way the material was presented makes it seem like only homophobia and scientifically unsupported notions that generate it are what people understand concerning gay people, when in fact there has been a lot of objective research done for decades that shows homosexuality absolutely is not a mental disorder, that sexual orientation has nothing to do with contact with gay people, and that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. I added a link to the APA's webpage, and some counterpoint.

I think the personal life section is doing Martina a slight dis-service. I think she's equally inspirational to peoples of all sexualities - simply for her comittment to an ethic of hard work and determination.

There seems to be a slight effort to prove that she's definitly not bisexual - I'm not sure this is necessary as she's universally considered gay. If she was bi-sexual or had any heterosexual tendencies whatsoever, this in no way maligns ANY of her acheivements.

Clearly her sexuality and the way she's dealt with it is important. But I think her acheivements as an athlete are as least equally as inspirational to gay and straight folk as her openness and activism is.

Maybe a slight change of emphasis required?

The difference is that there were few role models for gay people, and many sports figures remain in the closet while they're in competition. During the Reagan 80s as a child, she was practically the only person I saw on TV who was gay and not presented as inferior. While she's inspirational for people of all types, the importance of her visibility as a strong gay person can't be minimized. Heterosexuals have had a lot more role models and representatives throughout history, and gay people have faced censorship - the notion that a gay person's sexuality should be censored which renders gay people invisible in society, unless there's scandal. Even today, homophobia is very common and gay people continue to need Martina as an openly lesbian figure to draw strength from.

[edit] L Word question

Is Martina Navratilova the real life "gay Anna Kournikova"? Cromulent Kwyjibo 00:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Doubles titles: 177 or 178?

It seems that it is 177, as it is explained in the text, but the Bio Box says 178. Could someone correct? Nazroon 18:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Life

The personal life section contains only information on her sexuality. Yes, she's a lesbian, we know. Do we really need an entire section devoted to it? Arkyopterix 14:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

No info on kd lang? Hrhadam (talk) 13:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Animal treatment activist

I have removed an out-of-place sentence about Martina Navrátilová contributing to Sarasota in Defense of Animals. I don't think we need to list every charity she donates to, but more information about her activism for treatment of animals could be added into the article. - Mike Rosoft 19:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarified reference to Amendment 2 in the "Activism and politics" section

The sentence originally read "She filed a lawsuit against Amendment 2, a 1992 ballot proposition in Colorado designed to deny legal benefits to gays and lesbians." I changed it to "She filed a lawsuit against Amendment 2, a 1992 ballot proposition in Colorado designed to deny gays and lesbians legal protection from discrimination." in order to be more specific about the amendment. Not a big deal, but since homosexuality is a controversial subject I thought I'd post my reasoning. MrVibrating 07:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question regarding opening summary

At the top it reads "Navratilova reached 11 consecutive Grand Slam singles finals, second all-time to Steffi Graf's 13." However, if you look at the table below, it clearly shows she reached 14 consecutive Grand Slam singles finals from the 1984 French Open until the 1987 US Open. What gives? Supertigerman (talk) 18:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not an error. The 1984 Australian Open was the last Grand Slam tournament of the year, not the first one. Therefore, her streak was interrupted there. Tennis expert (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for explaining. Supertigerman (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This Article is Really Long

Especially due to all of the charts detailing tournaments--shouldn't they be moved on to a separate article, just as is done with a director or actor who has a really long filmography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchonihilist (talk • contribs) 03:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Tables are not counted when determining whether an article is "really long." Tennis expert (talk) 04:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Nonetheless This article is presently 177 kb - one of the longest ones on Wikipedia. At this point, it is difficult to display or edit in some browsers. There is no reason why there couldn't be a Records of Martina Navratilova article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)