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The "Martin Stephan" page is in serious need of editing from the standpoint of objective consideration of and reference to source material.

Marvin Huggins, Concordia Historical Institute, Saint Louis, MO

Contents 1 Revision Needed 2 Objectivity 3 Martin Stephan's Positive contributions to Lutheranism in the U. S. 4 Reverting to older version 5 Revision with sources submitted and not accepted. 6 Article Seriously Flawed

[edit] Revision Needed

The "Martin Stephan" page needs revision, taking into account scholarly historical studies of the topic in such sources as Walter O. Forster's Zion on the Mississippi.

Marvin Huggins, Concordia Historical Institute, Saint Louis, MO

[edit] Objectivity

Mr. Huggins needs to understand that there are currently more factual documents available on Martin Stephan than the skewed view presented in Zion on the Mississippi. The afore mentioned book is over 40 years old and the information contain in this wiki comes directly from Martin's personal documents and trial transcripts. Yury Stephan, decendant of Martin Stephan

As for factual documents, my ancestor and his brother (the Höhne brothers) were frequently-quoted sources for Zion on the Mississippi via letters reprinted in Die Ameise. Could I ask you what is skewed about it? Tcschenks 22:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Stephan's Positive contributions to Lutheranism in the U. S.

The current article on Martin Stephan needs to follow the form of a biography and include some of this pastor's contributions to the spiritual journey of people in america. Martin Stephan was indeed the organizer and leader of an Emigration Society who came to the US in 1838 sailing from Bremerhaven in five ships. Stephan, who was born in 1777 in Stramberg, Moravia now the Czech Repbulic was the son of pious long time Christians who followed John Hus and later were Moravian brethren. They joined the Reformation of Martin Luther and when after the 30 years war they were forced from the land, they went underground in the local Roman Cahtolic Church which had previously been Lutheran.

The above is an example of some of the contributions as well as hardships he endured.

I will be happy to edit this biography in the wikipedia to incorporate these contributions.

If anyone else wants to join in this endeavor I will be happy to serve and an editor so that we have an accurate and up to date reading of this pastor. Philip Stephan decendant of Martin Stephan

Might this be how the after-dinner prayer "We thank Thee Lord for all our food, for live and health and every good" gained common use among the Saxon immigrants? My East Perry County (Altenburg/Wittenberg) family used this prayer after meals and I've read that the words come from a hymn written by a man of Moravian Brethren origin. Tcschenks 22:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting to older version

Some of this version could be merged back in if there are sources for it, but I've reverted the edit that removed all previous content and formatting. Angela. 06:50, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Phil Stephan and I will edit and annotate the sources from the previous entry and add that version back in when we are done. That version is not only more detailed, but is also more objective than the current reverted version. Yury Stephan

Angela: I understand you are the editor to these articles. I guess there has to be some oversight. I was under the impression that these were voluntary kinds of offerings. Neither of the above articles has footnotes or references. The version cited as the reference to go by has many biases and errors in it. Yury and Philip Stephan have an unbublished source by William Koepschen, unpublished manuscript dated 1935 prepared for the centennial of the Saxon Emmigration from Dresden in 1838. This manuscript is property of the Stephan family and a copy reside at the Concordia Historical Institute in St. Louis at the Seminary by the same name. It seems to us that before you revert to any edition you could check with both of us as to how we need to handle the revisions. You suggestions would be welcome so that a realistic picture can be painted of the Saxon leader. Philip Stpehan

[edit] Revision with sources submitted and not accepted.

A new version of this biography was submitted with the sources requested. It was pasted into the older version. Today I find it it has been replaced with the older version. Editor please let me know what the situation is that makes this new version that you requested not remain as the version of record?

[edit] Article Seriously Flawed

This article, as Rev. Huggins mentioned, is seriously flawed. It represents only one point of view, is loaded with value judgements and is uncited beyond a bibliography. I intend to delete all unreferenced statements during the next few weeks and add references from sources I have at hand. --CTSWyneken 23:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought the Mary Todd book is pretty good about this. Is anyone disputing the basic historical fact that Stephan was fired and excommunicated for financial and sexual sins?

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I've deleted uncited material from this article, especially those items that seem to be from only one side of the controversies. We are certainly able to include documented views. If you have Todd's book, feel free to use it to flesh out the article and document it. I will be working on it as time permits from the Rast article and Zion on the Mississippi--CTSWyneken 22:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC).

I'm going to go ahead and remove the cleanup tag, since CTSW seems to have fixed the article. Fishal 18:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Those of you who inserted this information have made a mess of this article. Since when is an alleged charge never proven or tried held to be the accurate and truthful version? The charges against Martin Stephan have never been tried. He went to court and won the trial. A settlement was made of $200.00. See the legal court records and the letter by his attorney Mr Koerner. If you are going to make facts out of allegations you have engaged in poor academic work. Dr. Philip Stephan