Talk:Mars Sample Return Mission

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[edit] More general use

I have modified the lead to indicate that an MSR Mission might not (though might) be a particular joint mission proposed for/by NASA/ESA. Maybe I really wanted to create a "Mars sample return mission" article, but correct Wikipedia capitalization is an art form that still escapes my understanding. Any help would be appreciated! (sdsds - talk) 03:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ESA/NASA Joint Mission

I don't have any information at all that NASA plans to undertake a JOINT mission with the European Space Agency. Anyone with references should provide them. The reference in the article says nothing of a joint mission. This was why I proposed this article for deletion in the first place. Hypothetical joint missions need not be mentioned as probability or fact. As a result, if the article is not deleted (which now I think it is worthy of staying due to the fact it is written about a proposed future mission by NASA), then it should be revised with a reference to support a joint mission or a rewording that says a joint mission may be possible due to something such as the immense costs and technical complexity. --Marsbound2024 15:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The closest thing to a joint mission is said here: Mars Exploration Program It "envisions significant international participation" such as with the French and Italian Space Agencies, but does not explicitly say the ESA. Here is a quote:
The program envisions significant international participation, particularly by France and Italy. In cooperation with NASA, the French and Italian space agencies plan to conduct collaborative scientific orbital and surface investigations and to make other major contributions to sample collection/return systems, telecommunications assets and launch services. Other nations also have expressed interest in participating in the program.
--Marsbound2024 15:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ESA discusses its MSR mission plans at http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Aurora/SEM1PM808BE_0.html. (sdsds - talk) 17:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Where does it mention ANYTHING about a joint mission, though? Without that fact, the article talking about a possible joint mission has no evidence supporting it and can be concluded as false. --Marsbound2024 19:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I support the suggestion that, assuming no one comes forward with a reliable source, almost all of the text from the original version of this article [1] should be removed. In particular, the second sentence of the current lead, and the second section. What should remain? The (as yet unwritten) section about NASA plans for an MSR mission, and the (as yet unwritten) section about ESA plans for an MSR mission. (sdsds - talk) 23:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I also support this. I will volunteer my time to rewrite the article with relevant information with appropriate references if no one else does. --Marsbound2024 23:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historical part

  • I think that there should be a historical part since MSR is a very old story. For instance, after 1997, under the strong impulsion of French Minister Claude Allègre, there has been an effort in France for a joint CNES/NASA JPL mission called Mars Premier. This effort was targeting a Mars Sample Return Mission in 2005, and collapsed due to the double failure of 1998 (Mars Polar Lander and Mars Climate Orbiter). I am sure that if someone digs deeper there are other stories. Hektor (talk) 09:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More Information to add here

I'm not the most knowledgable on this topic and would rather leave it to others, but it seems there's a lot of information left out of this page. For instance, there's quite a bit of discussion in an article from 2005: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-future-05f.html that isn't present here. Surely, these preliminary plans have become a little more clear in the last couple years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.86.95 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)