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[edit] Michael Moore in Married ..with children

Anyone knows if Michael Moore appears in one episode about the elections? I watch that episode and it appears someone like him, but I know it's right that information.

I believe you're talking about the one where the Bundy's are practically the only people to vote. Moore made no appearance or mention.

[edit] Recommend Changing the 9/11 Section

In recent airings of the series in syndication on FOX Network, the episode in question airs in its entirety. I'd suggest that the 9/11-episode paragraph either be removed, or at the very least changed to reflect the fact that the bomber is no longer being removed.Dshibshm (talk) 22:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Pictures!

I think that we should add more pictures of the Bundy's, the Rhoades', the D'Arcy's, and others.Dshibshm (talk) 22:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Why are people not SIGNING?

[edit] Most Successful Sitcom Ever

I removed the bit about it being the most successful American sitcom ever, for same reasons given at Talk:Amanda Bearse. Tuf-Kat

Which husband was the first one? (i.e. not the one that was the villain in Revenge of the Nerds) Tuf-Kat
As indicated in the entry, the character's name is "Marcy Rhoades D'Arcy;" the first husband was Steve Rhoades, the second, played by Ted McGinley, was Jefferson D'Arcy.
I also removed the bit about Christina Applegate being the only character to accomplish much during the show's run. Ed O'Neill was involved in a few projects during Married...with Children's lifetime, namely Dutch, the Wayne's World movies, Little Giants, and several more. -- goatasaur

[edit] Applegate was "successful"

I think saying Applegate was "successful" is a bit of a stretch. The only project she starred in during the show's run was Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. -- goatasaur

I reworded the Applegate bit to be more accurate; sometimes success isn't measured in how much you do but in how popular and recognized what you do *is.* Teenagers made Applegate a star in the late 80s/early 90s by putting her on posters and in magazines. By the way, I just realised there is already a "Married... with Children" page. It's much less detailed and scattered in format, but more importantly, the correct title is "Married...with Children." Just to alert this to someone who knows how to fix it.

Did the character Peggy SERIOUSLY have the middle name Wanker?

She is from Wanker County, Wisconsin
Her middle name wasn't Wanker; that was her maiden name. She was also, like someone said, from Wanker County in Wisconsin. TheCustomOfLife 02:05, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I too believe there's a problem with the applegate bit, it's back to saying she's the only one to have any real success, but I've seen Ed O'Neill in many movies, seems like he's doing fine... --TIB (talk) 01:18, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, she's from Wanker County, where as Einstein puts it, everyone's relative.--UltimatePyro 04:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

haha116.71.41.240 (talk) 02:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POV

While some of this POV sounds right, some of this also sounds wrong. Any way to fix this?

It was a very low-brow comedy that centered entirely around toilet humor and sex farce. The characters were one-dimensional parodies of actual people.

For example, I don't think the Rhoades characters were really one-dimensional parodies of actual people. I just think these two sentences could be worded differently. Can anyone help? Mike H 10:12, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

I did what I could. I also removed the bit about "Roseanne" being more popular- maybe back then, but I really think Married...with Children is as popular, if not more popular, these days.

I don't want to put down an otherside decent article, but isn't "slutty, airheaded daughter" POV?

No, because that's describing the character of Kelly. The long-running gag was that she was a big slut, and that she wasn't smart ("She may not graduate, you know that, Peg?") So no, I don't think it's POV. It was a statement of fact. Mike H 22:11, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
I greatly doubt that the term "slutty, airheaded daughter" represents the preferable stylistic register of the Wikipedia. --M. Alexander 00:58, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Peggy's mother is seen in Al and Peggy's bed in the security light episode. also her shadow is seen in the episode where she is a phone sex voice.

That's not the same thing. Seen means seeing ALL of them. Wilson from Home Improvement was always seen, just not all of him, and that's why he would also be classified as "never seen." Mike H 01:21, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I dont get this part

What was important about the show, and what likely allowed it to survive for as long as it did, is that inevitably the characters (including next-door neighbors and friends the Rhoades, later renamed the D'Arcys after Marcy married Jefferson D'Arcy) would come out supporting and defending each other. No matter how much they bickered and claimed to despise their familial ties, when one of them was put into a tough situation, the others would come out fighting on their side.

I dont understand. Does it mean when the Bundy's are being put in a tough situation or the other chars?

Yeah I thought something was weird there too Astrokey44 11:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It isn't explained. I'd just remove it, but it and the preceeding paragraph (see below) both need more work than I'd like to invest:
The show first aired in 1987 to very negative press. It was considered very low-brow comedy that centered entirely around toilet humor and sexual references. 1 Critics noted that the characters were mainly one-dimensional parodies of actual people. 2 Christina Applegate once remarked that the show was "a cartoon". 3 However, viewers quickly embraced the show because despite its obvious shortcomings it reflected a huge part of the populace that was not represented on television. The concept of an unhappily married couple whose life was, essentially, a complete failure had never been explored. Suddenly people were confronted with an arguing and unhappy, trashy married couple and their underachieving, smart-mouthed children.
1: What "parodies of actual people"?
2: Should be combined with previous paragraph, if it didn't need work.
3: While this may be true, it may equally be true that the show was popular because it was bawdier than anything else on TV at the time. It is not a clear case of popular success via class identification. It should be rewritten so it makes clear how unique the show's portrayal of marriage and family was without maintaining that it was the primary reason for the show's success. "Suddenly, people were confronted" ought to be removed too; it isn't Roots for crying out loud. Jeff Fries 09:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pregnancy?

Should the article mention the fact that the pregnancy plotline was, er, cut short (almost wrote "aborted") when Sagal miscarried, and the entire arc was retconned into being an extended dream? DS 16:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if mentioning this event fits into the structure of the article. The article is functional, not chronological. Plus, it's a very, very sensitive subject. I think it would be safe to assume that it's an intentional omission; all the fans of the series know it happened but none of them have written about it. AlGorup 14:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bud's virginity

I've removed the fallacious remark that Bud doesn't lose his virginity until he's 19. He lost it fairly early in the series, in the episode where Al got a credit card in the dog's name, and Bud used the family's riches to seduce a couple of 20-something girls. He pretty much states it outright to his mother at the end of the episode.

If you watch the Season 4 episode where Steve leaves Marcy, it's rather clear that Bud is still a virgin. Kelly convinces Bud to seduce Marcy, and she says "And who wouldn't want a virgin?" to which Bud was rather excited. Mike H. That's hot 04:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Married with Children never really followed its own continuity...kind of goes well with how cartoony it was...I seem to remember two different episodes when Bud is older that he loses his virginity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.75.130 (talk) 05:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Avoiding the big sins

Actually, for a night time show, the Bundys avoided the really big sins: alcoholism, drug abuse, infedelity, teenage abortions, etc.. I always found it to be a defining characteristic of the show. (In fact, in the last episode, Al firmly took a stand AGAINST infedelity.) Unfortunately, the article is so well written that I can't find an easy way to add this tidbit w/o coming off as too wordy. AlGorup 14:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Peg's Mother

Peggy's mother is never shown...

That's not quite accurate. In one early-season episode, Al refuses to pay the phone company and they cut off service. He finally caves when Peggy's mother decides to move in with the family until phone service is restored -- but he was apparently too late, because at the very end of the episode Peggy is shown sharing the marital bed with a gigantic lump and she's talking on the telephone saying, "Yes Dad, Mom got here just fine..."

I think for unseen characters, the criteria is that you never see her face. It was dark in the bed and all you see is a massive form next to Peg. I think "unseen" would still count here. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 08:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Common Style Mistake

When writing about things that happen within the storyline of a television show, it is universally accepted that the present tense should be used:

"Al is a shoe salesman," is correct, but "Al was a shoe salesman" is not.

However, you can use the past tense to distinguish between a character's past and present:

"Al was a high school football player, but is a shoe salesman."

If you're speaking about things which are outside the action of the show, you should usually use the past tense for shows no longer in production:

"The show was often directed by cast member Amanda Bearse."

In short, don't refer to the content of a TV series as if it all happened in the past.

[edit] Please Include Left Out Bundy Icon

The Bundy Icon "Toaster Leavins" was not included. Please include this item!

[edit] Last paragraph of "Remakes" section

A remake named Casado con Hijos ¿quién dijo que era fácil? is on air in the Chilean TV Channel Megavision since April 2006, monday to friday 08:20 P.M. starring Fernando Larrain and Javiera Contador as Tito Larrain and Quena Gómez. Also featured are Dayana Amigo and Fernando Godoy in the roles of Titi and Nacho Larrain, Bud is replaced by a parrot.

Something definitely needs to be done with this, but I'm not sure what. Does the Spanish phrase need to be italicized? Do we need the "Monday to Friday 08:20 P.M."? --zenohockey 02:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peg's TV viewing

This article states that Peg watches both "Oprah" and "Dr. Phil". "Dr. Phil" first aired November 30, 2002 while "Married... with Children" was taken off air May 5, 1997.

- Actually, I believe "Phil" refers to "The Phil Donahue Show", not "Dr. Phil". This should probably be clarified in the article, as it confused me the first time I read it, too. -4.244.153.132 06:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Definitely The Phil Donahue Show

[edit] "Let's rock.""

What about Al's favorite line: "Let's rock!" Tertiary7 05:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary?

Has anyone else noticed that there's no plot summary in the article? Theshibboleth 21:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 80s or 90s

Is Married with Children an 80s show or a 90s show? Heegoop, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

80's--UltimatePyro 04:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

its not that cut and dry the show came out what is it 86,87 and the ran until 1997 so its a little bit 80's and little bit 90's sort of like dallas was a little bit 70's and a little bit 80's--Wikiscribe (talk) 17:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Al Bundy Girls

Strippers and porn stars had frequent cameos, especially in the latter part of the series. Strip Clubs would often advertise (in the sports section of New York tabloids) that a certain featured dancer was an "Al Bundy Girl" (in addition to other credits such as appearing in Playboy) Jny 02:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early Kelly

Kelly dressed more conservatively in the first couple of episodes, wearing sweaters and ankle skirts which were popular for a few minutes in 1987. Jny 02:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transcripts

I have in my possession about a 100 transcripts of the show. I downloaded them from http://www.marriedwithchildren.net/ which seems to have stop working. I think that uploading them to wikipedia would be a good idea since here they will be safely kept and accessible to a lot of pepole. what do you think? is uploading about 100 files of transcripts to wikipedia somthing that is normaly done? is this some sort of a copyright violation? --Nezek 18:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural Impact

Shouldn't it be worth mentioning the cultural impact about Married... with Children? I mean, this show began the trend of sitcoms featuring dysfunctional families.--UltimatePyro 04:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

it wasnt though, all in the family (70's) came before then, though not as risque as MWC, it can be considered the precursor to it Lore266 02:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lore266 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Trivia

The episode Top of the Heap is listed as the only successful spin-off. But those characters also appeared in the MWC episode Oldies but Young 'Uns. Shouldn't that also be mentioned? Kwyjibear 21:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Top of the Heap bombed and was quickly cancelled. That is succesful? I was glad it bombed since the episode of MWC starring them was easily the worst episode of the series (it wasn't even really a MWC episode since only Al appeared in it, and that was for about 1 minute total). TJ Spyke 21:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Married with Children is an American sitcom about a dysfunctional family living in Chicago but all actors have a Californian accent, and not a Chicago accent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.115.244 (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Split

Could we split Bundy Curse and Bundy Icons into Running Jokes in "Married...with Children"? Those sections seem quite long. Drake Clawfang 06:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Kelly Spin-Off

There's some contradiction here with the Writer's interview in E True Hollywood Story. The reason (according to the E True Hollywood Story) that Kelly did not get married in the Series Finale was because Fox had a contract that ALLOWED them to produce a Spin-Off based on the Bundy Children. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.63.203.41 (talk) 06:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

I my self was wondering about this. It makes no sence that Fox would make a contract stating that the bundy kids couldnt have a spinoff.Batman420 18:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Bundy merge

It's just a slightly extended version of his section here. The only difference is that it has quotes which are not supposed to be on Wikipedia. (They belong at WikiQuote)--$UIT 18:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't feel a merger is appropriate, since this is a major character in the series, and if the content is not sufficient now, then it should be expanded, not merged. FrozenPurpleCube 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
By expand, I hope you don't mean adding more quotes and lists. Read his description on this page. Then read his description on his article. Not much of a difference. Just a list and quotes.-$UIT 02:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose merge. Al Bundy is a major character. If the article's content isn't suffient it should be expanded. - Throw 07:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose Has become a pop culture phenomenon oftenly mentioned outside of Married.... One of the most prominent anti-hero characters even without his family. Malc82 15:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Support merge/redirect. If you remove the quotes and use sentence format instead of list format for the held jobs, the Al Bundy article is only slighty longer than what's on Married... with Children, although the article has had 2.5 years to develop. See the article for Mal Reynolds (Firefly), where the character only has 14 episodes and one movie of background information, and the article is much better (almost perfect). I guess Al Bundy will never get there as a comedy character (who usually don't have much else than a superficial style, which can easily be summarized on the main page). I doubt that an AfD would result in anything else than a merge at the moment. – sgeureka t•c 22:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Oppose Sure the article could be expanded with more useful information and the quotes taken over to wikiquote, but there is absolutley no reason to merge it with the shows one. Al Bundy is one of the most famous, most memorable characters in TV history and if Darth Vader and Homer Simpson have their own articles, Al Bundy deserves one too. --Kelnor 21:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Oppose Like others have said, Al is the main character in a very popular TV series that lasted eleven seasons and basically built FOX. So his current entry could be improved, let it have the chance. A lot of characters

who are far less popular and didn't last nearly as long as Al still have current entrys. After everything Al endured on the show, killing his Wikipedia entry would just be one final insult.

Strongly Oppose Al Bundy rules, and this page can't be merged because Al is a big enough character that he should have his own page. Obi-WanKenobi-2005 02:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Guest Stars

Could use a guest star section, especially highlighting Monique(?) or the name of the french girl (exchange student, Kelly's "sister"/rival) that was getting the studio audience pretty excited. She was played by Mila Jovovich I believe. In fact she should be a recurring character if she was there for more than one episode. Coolbrook76 20:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The "Million Mile" Dodge...

Why isn't the Dodge listed amongst the family members?

I agree there should me a sentence or two dedicated to the Dodge.The Goat 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's what I know about Al's Dodge:it's a early-to-mid 1970s Duster coupe(shown mostly in a "golden" or bronze metallic, except in the episode where Al takes it to a car wash managed by guest-star Michael James Faustino(yes, David's younger brother!), where at the end it was revealed to be a deep cherry RED!...HTH...Michaela92399 17:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison with Roseanne

I think a mention of the contemporary show Roseanne would be nice. Both shows featured similar familys/characters. As I recall Roseanne often copied plots from "Married with children...". But being on a big three network nobody ever criticized Roseanne for this.The Goat 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, Roseanne was the original choice to play Peggy (according to the E! True Hollywood Story). TJ Spyke 21:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psycho Dad

There is no mention of Psycho Dad.

Oh, yes there is...occasional mentions throughout the series(and this article too!)...Michaela92399 02:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terry Rakolta

Can anyone provide ann update of what that Detroit-area housewife is up to nowadays?...is she still trying to get the networks to cancel shows that SHE personally thinks offends "traditional American family values"?...thanks, Michaela92399 02:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jefferson D'Arcy

One quick note about Jefferson, there were several references to his past in which he might have been a spook (CIA??) of some sort.

[edit] Michael James Faustino

Unofficially(since I was-and still am-a true fan of MWC!), I can recall that David's younger brother(born in November 1979) made the most guest appearances:at least seven!...he was eight in the first MWC Christmas episode, and almost 16 in that aforementioned "Dodge-in-the car-wash" episode...Michaela92399 17:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Syndication

I believe the show first started in weekday US syndication in 1991-2 (well before FX) on Chris Craft stations such as WWOR New York and WRBW Orlando. and can still be seen in a few markets such as KTBU Houston

[edit] Worldwide

This entire section seems unneeded. It does not seem necessary to have a list of countries where the show is syndicated and on what channels. It seems beyond trivial. Tithonfury (talk) 17:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pilot episode

Hi!

I vaguely remember the pilot episode with none of the familiar Bundy-members appearing. Also the dwelling was not identical, although similar to that of the Bundies. There were two men living together (either father and adult son or two bachelors of different ages, the younger one owning a white cat whom he was sometimes "boxing" with). I always wondered what this was about. Does anyone know more?

correct me if i am wrong, but i dont think this was the pilot, this may have been an episode where one of als friends is the main plot line (they tried to make this into a spin off unsucessfully) Lore266 02:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lore266 (talk • contribs)

You are talking of the Spin-Off episode "Top of the heap" (episode 525). Only Al Bundy (Ed O'Neill) was in that episode.

Daniel (http://blog.albundy.net) 80.121.206.122 (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WTC reference

In the controversy section, I added a "fact" tag next to the statement that one episode had to be edited because of the 1993 WTC bombing. Aside from the fact such a statement should be cited anyway, I heard that the episode was aired in full, but only the syndicated version was edited, and that was following Sept. 11, 2001. Can anyone sort out which is correct? 23skidoo (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 4th Seasons is Avaiable

According the office website the 4th Season is available for sale, however in the article Seasons 3 and 4 still have TBD listed. If someone has the time to find out the release dates for 3 & 4 that'd be great. (HideAndGoSeek (talk) 08:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Bud's Age

According to the wiki entry:

Budrick Franklin, also known as "Bud" Bundy, (David Faustino) is the second child, born on January 22 around 1974. In the first season, Bud is revealed to be in fifth grade, making him 10 or 11, but in subsequent seasons, he was aged to be within one year of Kelly, graduating high school in 1991.

This could have also meant that either of the Bundy children graduated (or left) high school earlier than normal. Pakopako (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

let us also not rule out that a) bud is the only bundy to go to college (as he was smart...for a bundy) and b) kelly wasnt exactly the brightest crayon in the box, hence possibly being held back a year or two Lore266 02:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lore266 (talk • contribs)

[edit] DVD releases & Big Bundy Box in Europe

I think it should be noticed that in Europe all seasons have already been released. After Sony has announced to release a syndicated version of season 4 the Bundy Fan Site Albundy.net started a petition. They asked for original/non-syndicated episodes and a faster release of all seasons. Over thousend of fans signed that petition and Sony Germany reacted to that petition --> http://blog.albundy.net/?p=38 . Season 4 was not syndicated (there was even a sticker on the box that is was not syndicated) and all other seasons have been released uncoupled of the releasement in the US.

In December Sony even released the "Big Bundy Box". All 11 seasons in one big box with some extra features and new Interviews with Katey Sagal and David Faustino (http://blog.albundy.net/?p=108 ).

All the releases in the german speaking countries have also the original US voice-track on the dvds.

Daniel 80.121.206.122 (talk) 14:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Married... with MORE Children

During the Seven's time on the show, the title of the show in the opening credits was "Married... with MORE Children". I added this to the article at one point but someone felt it didn't belong and deleted it. Can anyone enlighten me as to why this might have been deleted and why the title change isn't mentioned at all. I'm sure it was just a marketing thing and not an official title change but I feel it should still be mentioned. JMacGill (talk) 08:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What is the correct title of the show?

I clicked on a link in the Divine article to this entry, and I'm pretty underwhelmed. I was trying to find the correct spelling/punctuation of Married...With Children/Married... with Children/Married with Children (all three variations are near the top of entry). As a first-time visitor to this much-discussed entry, I'm pretty put-off when contributors can't even decide what the correct title of the show is — it's something that should be decided at the outset when the entry is being constructed. Harrrumphh. Kinkyturnip (talk) 01:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bud's name and other issues

I have taken the liberty of changing the name given as Bud's "real name". Bud's name is not in fact Budrick. It was only ever used once, by Kelly in one of her many failed endeavors to sound "Smart". It has never been stated since that his name is in fact "Budrick". Quite the contrary, as Al has stated that Bud was named after his favorite beer. I don't know about the rest of you people, but I've never even seen a Budrick in the stores. If it does exist, I wonder what it tastes like? And since I mention Kelly's butcherings of the english language, this brings me to a second point. Do we really need 50 lines of quotes from Kelly to support her intelligence, or lack thereof? Items like that belong on a wikiquotes page, not on this main page, and if it really is necessary perhaps it would do to put up a page for the character rather than put it on this page. Smokachu13 (talk) 2:19 PM, 23 May 2008

Ok. Not only has the "Budrick" name reappeared, but it's been drastically mispelled as well leading me to believe someone is either ignorant, trying to be funny, or both. I would reccomend to anyone to at least read and respond to noted added here on talk pages before you go changing sites. I at least explained what I did and why. I'm going to take the liberty of changing it again and hopefully it will sick this time. Likewise, as the Kelly's Grammar issues I'm going to delete the entire quotes section. if someone wants it back they can go make a page for Kelly Bundy, or more appropriately make a wikiquotes page. Smokachu13 (talk) 1:13 AM, 6 June 2008

[edit] Remakes

This entire section is completely erroneous and should be HEAVILY edited omitting most of the entries. For example, Unhappily Ever After was not a remake of Married... With Children. It is a completely seperate show entirely and though both shows shared the same head writer and many members of the same writing team, that doesn't link the 2 shows by any stretch of the imagination. Likewise many of the foreign programs listed claim to be remakes of MWC but none of them support this notion with any facts other than a similar cast structure of a comedy about a dysfunctional family and their neighbors. Egy rém rendes család Budapesten isn't a remake at all, but rather an aborted attempt at a forgeign spin off, that much like the rest of MWC's spin offs, was a bad idea from the get go. To say most of these products were remakes of MWC would be like to say MWC was a remake of Growing Pains, which is a remake of The Archie Bunker Show, which was someone else's take on The Honeymooners, which links back to The Odd Couple, etc. etc. etc. Can something not be done about these veague impressions? Or should I head over to the Firefly board and start claiming it's intent as a prequel to Star Trek? Smokachu13 (talk) 2:19 PM, 23 May 2008

[edit] rewrite

the more I look at this page the more I realize it needs a complete and total rewrite. There's all kinds of facts on the page that are misinterprited, misrepresented, unclarifited (i.e. I'm not sure why the Seven portion of the article refers to Jumping the Shark, except that it's someone's notion that when seven was introduced they were in fact jumping the shark, which is an opinon anyway), outright erroneous, and in many cases items that were addressed in an episode for the purposes of comedy are represented as factual despite being later negated. I don't know who to contact about a rewrite, and I think it would be a bit presumtous to do it myself, so i'm hoping someone will respond to this. Smokachu13 (talk) 1:13 AM, 6 June 2008