Talk:Mark Morrison

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Props on this page looks miles better now.

Contents 1 Fair use rationale for Image:Dance 4 me cd1 packshot small.jpg 2 Fair use rationale for Image:MMJustAMan.jpg 3 Criminal history 4 Removal of album information 5 Innocent man

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dance 4 me cd1 packshot small.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:MMJustAMan.jpg

Image:MMJustAMan.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Criminal history

I removed a comment from this talk page hinting at a possible conviction; absent a citation this violates WP:BLP. If there is a reliable source on this, please feel free to add it directly to the article. Cmprince 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of album information

It has been brought to our attention through an OTRS ticket that there is some doubt surrounding the status of some of the releases detailed on the article because they were apparently not authorised for full release. Because we have no sources going in either direction, I have removed the information for now. I invite anyone with some decent sources to add more information. Thanks. —Sean Whitton / 16:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sean. Thanks for the explaination; I just wish our anonymous friend had seen fit to make this claim here instead of going through OTRS... Anyway, here is a Rolling Stone discography and here is a Yahoo! discography verifying the disputed singles and albums. If no one has any comments challenging the reliability of the sources, I'll restore the information to the article later today. Cmprince 21:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

This page shows evidence of some disputes. What are your thoughts on that? Also, I'd like to suggest those music sites may not be that reliable as they mention nothing of the dispute that I can see. —Sean Whitton / 14:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I don't really know anything about this artist, so this is news to me. My initial reaction is that whether or not the releases are "legal," they seem to have public recognition and should be listed. The legal status of the cover art is probably the biggest concern for us—I'd guess fair use applies either way, but an expert might need to weigh in (UK law, etc.). Whether or not the albums are listed, the article should probably mention the injunction, and that the albums' legal statuses are disputed. Cmprince 16:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I agree with your reasoning regarding the necessity of including the releases, if they were made illegally, as part of the main discography. Surely someone's discography should be agreed with by them, if you see what I mean? Therefore I would like to suggest that we remove it from the discography and add a new section on the article explaining the dispute, citing the music law page as a source for that. By avoiding listing the album covers, we can avoid negativity that would contravene WP:BLP. —Sean Whitton / 11:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I've spoken with Mark's agent, and here is his reasoning for each release and why it should not be mentioned:

• "Innocent Man" DVD/CD was released as a LIMITED EDITION (Only 5,000 copies) independently in 2006, by Mona Records, a label that has closed. The plan is to release the album in the U.S. and release it officially in the UK afterwards.
• "Just A Man" was released briefly but without Mark's consent, and pulled from stores, as the label that went under, and closed. The single is due for release in the U.S. soon. All references to this project should be cancelled too.
• "Dance 4 Me" was never released, Mona Records pressed numerous copies of the CD, so promotional copies of the single exist, and were sent to websites and radio, but the song was never released in stores. The CD Single was cancelled, it was never sold in stores, you can call HMV, Virgin Megastore or any retailer and ask. It should not be listed on any websites, as its also due for release later this year.

Also, he has linked to Mark's official website which shows that Innocent Man is being released soon, not that it already has been. —Sean Whitton / 13:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand how listing these albums does anything to violate WP:BLP; there's nothing libelous about them. Also, artists' wishes are often ignored, but the work still forms part of their oeurve. See Alan Smithee, for instance: if a director asked for her name to be removed from a film, but it was known that she was the director, we would still include that in her article, albeit with a reference to the dispute. As to the individual releases above, I think these notes verify that the albums were released by a label Morrison had an arrangement with; whether he wanted them released or not is another matter that can be addressed with context. Cmprince 15:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

This is nuts. Mark's article should have his history. The album and singles which have not been released officially have history. If you delete Innocent Man and its single off the page, it would be like it was never even heard of. At least have it in the discography with a paragraph talking about the controversy. --Darkdan

I understand that we should have some reference to the controversy, but I think that having the album art present could potentially do damage to the individual, for business reasons, which really isn't fair of us. Therefore I would suggest we add a new, seperate heading on something like "disputed works" and have a text-only discussion of it there. That way we remain inclusive of the information without causing damage. Everyone is happy! —Sean Whitton / 06:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. This was the direction I was heading in too. Cmprince 12:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I came across reference to this debate here. You seem to have reached consensus regarding it (for what it's worth, I agree with your consensus}. Do you still need the RFC listed? Douglasmtaylor 22:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

No, I think we got the help we needed. There was mention of another WP:OTRS ticket in the recent edit history; I don't know if that's closed, but I think the discussion on this page regarding the content has consensus. I closed the RFC, thanks for the reminder! Cmprince 00:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Dated; September 27th 2007. This page has been edited, as Mark Morrison has no active legal disputes with 2 Wikid Records or Mona Records as of November 2006. The page is now accurate, and should not be edited. Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MLFAM98 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello MLFAM98, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your input. Please be advised, though, that since this was a very contentious issue, we really need to have citations for these claims. Also, please be aware that there is never an injunction against editing a page when there are valid sources to back up its claims. You may wish to review WP:OWN, one of the policies on editing. Thanks! Cmprince 18:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Innocent man

New album —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe cammy (talk • contribs) 01:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)