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[edit] Links

Question: Should we make the links section "official" links only, or should we put any unofficials ones in there? -- DiegoTehMexican 14:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

To put it nicely, this article is a mess. It needs more information on Mark's pre-Roush years and his Busch Series career. The Car #6 History section in the Roush Racing article should possibly be moved here, since that is a Martin-exclusive section (until Todd Kluever takes over next season. The Matt Kenseth and Jeff Gordon pages are very good models, IMHO. -DiegoTehMexican 19:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed

There's noted that citation is needed for a statement about Mark Martin's love for rap music (which is well known fact and it amazes me, how you need citations for that). How about http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=goldstandard&prov=tsn&type=lgns ? To be exact, at the end of the article - This is . . . Mark Martin

Musical taste: Runs the length of the FM dial.

Who he's listening to right now: Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Eminem.

I'm quite sure these three qualify as rap. Sincerely, Carnifex, 88.222.177.11 09:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top 10's vs. Wins

When a driver wins, do you increment wins and the top 10 count, or just the wins? I added Martin's recent Banquet 400 win and updated his win count, but not his top 10 count.

Yes, a win also increments the top 10 count. -DiegoTehMexican 19:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Whew. I updated Mark's infobox with the new cross-series driver template. Here's hoping that he doesn't go and race in ARCA next, or we're going to have to add even more, and this thing's already massive. -- DiegoTehMexican 03:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of the infobox, is it still appropriate to have his (then Roush Racing) car picture there, when he no longer drives for Roush Fenway in the Cup Series? AEMoreira042281 03:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Daytona 500 controversy

"...However, many have questioned NASCAR's decision to delay a last-lap caution, contending that it had cost Martin the victory..."

Why was this deleted?

The 2007 Daytona 500 had the closest--and most controversial (in terms of who really won it)--finish since the 1959 race. This should be mentioned in the article in some way, given its historical relevance.

We need verifiable citations. I'm still looking for one. Note that in every picture I've seen, Harvick was leading when the caution came out – Mark probably would have lost either way, unfortunately. — BrotherFlounder 04:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The deleted statement acknowledges, in essence, that the finish was controversial. It does not assert that Martin really won; it simply addresses the uncertainty surrounding NASCAR's decision to delay the caution. The fact that the controversy exists--its shelf life extended in the media for more than a week after the event--doesn't need a verifiable citation.

AP motorsports writer Jenna Fryer, about NASCAR's decision: "...Arguing that it was OK because it was the last lap isn't right, either. In 2005, NASCAR froze the field on the final lap at Talladega Superspeedway because of a spinning car way behind the leaders. Tony Stewart crossed the finish line first, but Dale Jarrett got the win because he was ahead when the field was frozen..."

If this rule was applied consistently, there may have been a different Daytona 500 winner. And therein lies the controversy.

Plus, it's yet another near-miss for Martin...a recurring theme throughout his career (i.e., four-time championship runner-up).

Also--a correction to my earlier comment--this may have actually been closer than the 1959 race. Although it took several days to declare the 1959 winner (by looking at photos), the 2007 Daytona 500 was the closest since electronic scoring began.4.247.170.124 01:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)Deej

I also have wondered about who would've been leading at the time of caution so I decided to look at the tape and pictures. When Kyle Busch first spun Mark looked to have been behind but under normal circumstances since Kyle would've slipped down the track on the last lap the caution would've been held. When Matt Kensth and Greg Biffle touched Mark was in the lead and that would've brought out a caution. Even if that didn't, Mark was officially hin the lead until Clint Bowyer flipped over which would've definately caused a caution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gopennsatate (talk • contribs) 21:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pessimist?

Mark Martin is listed as a pessimist on the pessimist page. Is this accurate? It seems like he's had a pretty succesful career. I don't know much about NASCAR but I figured I'd leave a note here because this seemed a bit odd. Eleigh33 04:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

From Auto Racing Digest, June-July 2003:
"...Perhaps past frustrations have hardened Martin, caused him to form a protective barrier around himself--or at least his championship aspirations. It's almost as though he doesn't dare to hope. 'When it comes to competition and getting your heart broken, I'm an eternal pessimist,' confesses Martin..."
(See the last few paragraphs in the section above for context.)66.19.76.134 23:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)Deej
      • Thanks for the response! ---eLeigh33 23:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

AS Far as the Daytona finish, this was the 6th anniversary of Dale Earnhardt death, and Harvick replaced Earnhardt in the 29 (3) car. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[edit] Requested move

Mark Martin (NASCAR) → Mark Martin — By far the most famous of the Mark Martins. One is a judge on a state Supreme Court and the other is a cartoonist who is apparently often mistaken for the NASCAR driver. Also included in the nomination is moving Mark Martin to Mark Martin (disambiguation). —Recury 16:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Oppose - I don't think any are sufficiently notable to dominate. Best to leave as it is with the dab in the middle. -- Beardo 14:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - It seems that the existing system works fine, with a dab page. Mike Martin (NASCAR) isn't really notable enough to be the redirect. Since he is mentioned first on the dab page, I think we should just leave as is. Raime 14:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

I don't see where you guys are finding that it is even close. The NASCAR driver has 200-300 incoming links to his article, the others have a dozen or two. 9 of the 10 ghits for "mark martin" on the first page are for the NASCAR driver. All of the 2000 or so Google News results are about him, etc. If you came up with some evidence, your claims could be taken more seriously. Recury 14:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Move requests are not votes, and no convincing arguments have been presented against the driver being the primary meaning of "Mark Martin". This article has been renamed from Mark Martin (NASCAR) to Mark Martin as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 11:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark's personal life

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the death of Mark's father, his wife (Mark's stepmom) and his stepsister that happened August 1998 in a plane crash in Nevada. I first saw this on the ABC program NASCAR In Primetime and I was able to find info about it on Google Books in the book Mark Martin: The Racer's Racer on page 106. Also sure that he is an avid pilot but I haven't taken the time yet to look that up. I plan on creating a personal life section when I have time after I get references down. --KaseyKahneFan 01:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this is also worth including: Martin assumed control of his late father's trucking company (J-Mar Express Inc.) after the plane crash, although I'm not sure if he's still involved in it. He also currently owns Chevrolet and Ford-Mercury dealerships.--Deej —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.247.143.211 (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC) Marks dealership (Ford) is in Batesville according to mapquest and the literature I recieved at the dealership in Batesville, Ar, not melbourne (i think thats what it was) thats listed in your article. I think you've done a wonderful job with his page. I would like to see something about how he is refered to by his peers as "the most physically fit man in nascar" and how nascar is in process of developing a fitness program for their drivers and have stated that it is Mark Martin and Carl Edwards inspired. Thank you for doing such an honorable job for an honorable man. Prettyblueoval (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)