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Contents 1 Newsworthy? 2 9 11 3 Pseudonym 4 Deletion 5 Name Change from Connor to Dice 6 Neutrality issue in video section 7 Famous for being famous 8 Famous and notable 9 TheResistanceManifesto.com

[edit] Newsworthy?

I don't understand why one would say John Conner is not newsworthy, he's been on Fox several times, he's been on the view, he's huge on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deb4ser (talk • contribs) 01:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

because he is a wacko...idiot! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.37.36 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 9 11

Changed "9/11 truth movement" to "his theories on 9/11." Dice's theory regarding 9/11 has NOT been established as truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.23.114 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pseudonym

perhapse someone should make a page for Mark Dice or forward the John Conner search to the Mark Dice page now that he isn't using the pseudonym. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.15.1 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

OK, first off, this article has an assertion of notability, so it's not eligible for speedy. That said, I'm skeptical of the notability and/or truthfulness of this article. I can find no reliable sources for this person's existence: only MySpace, YouTube and personal webistes. Can anyone show me that this person has really been on Fox? I found no mention of him in the sources given. Heimstern Läufer 05:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This article may be subject for speedy as the recreation of a previously deleted article on John Conner. In fact, it's been deleted a couple of times I think. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 05:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Does he exist? Reliable Sources for John Conner (real name Mark Dice) MARK DICE IN THE NEWS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN2rl2yK_kw O'Reilly Factor [youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb9Moy15EBY ABC's The View [youtube]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/483865p-407205c.html New York Daily News

http://entertainment.myway.com/celebgossip/pgsix/id/06_30_2005_8.html the NYPOST

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7471582/moby?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single1&rnd=1121372452031&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1212 Rollingstone

http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0632,halter,74115,20.html The Village Voice

http://www.mehrnews.ir/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=413722 Tehran Times in Iran

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7992114920283511318&q=john+conner+coast+to+coast Coast to Coast AM [googlevideo]

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover032205.htm Canada Free Press

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/292005f.asp Agape Press

http://www.washtimes.com/entertainment/20050703-101111-4616r_page2.htm Washington Times

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds22222.html Digital Spy in the UK

http://smartmoney.com/life/index.cfm?story=20050729-tech Smart Money

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=213062 Rotten Tomatoes

http://entertainment.iafrica.com/news/457017.htm iAfrica in South Africa

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/19/19466/1.html Telopolis in Germany

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_8-7-2005_pg9_9 Pakistan Daily Times

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.15.1 (talk • contribs) 00:14-00:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change from Connor to Dice

Uh. . .I am curious to know why he changed his alias. And who has confirmed that his real name is Mark Dice? I could just ask him on myspace, but he doesn't really talk to people on myspace. I guess i'll just have to call into his show and risk looking like a dumbass. But i'm curious to know who went in the Wiki article and changed all the "John Connor"s to "Mark Dice"s. I think perhaps it was the man himself. ToxicArtichoke 08:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

There was a statement on MarkDice.com which points to TheResistanceManifesto.co explaining that he was sick of being called John and refering to himself as john since it was a pseudonym presumably taken from the terminator character. All his videos on youtube use the name mark dice also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.185.188 (talk • contribs) 05:46-05:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC) — 72.192.185.188 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Words cannot express how happy I am that this wacko finally changed his name. My name really is "John Conner", and if all of the Terminator jokes/references/remarks for the past twenty years weren't bad enough, I have recently been identified with this remarkably twisted idividual. Maybe I can do something productive with my life, and the name "John Conner" won't go down in history as belonging to another conspiracy theorist nut case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.165.71 (talk • contribs) 03:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It could be worse... there are women named Sarah Connor listed in the L.A. phone book! 70.15.116.59 (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I am fairly sure Dice is not his real last name. I'm almost sure Mark is. I remember when he announced the change from Connor to Dice. It was on the Alex Jones show, he said, "My real name is Mark Diceshewski (or something along those lines), but you can call me Mark Dice." I do not think "Mark Dice" is as much as a pseudonym as it is a shortening of his real name. --Zimbabweed 11:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality issue in video section

I think i fixed the neutrality issue in the video section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicMemory (talk • contribs) 03:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC) — MagicMemory (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

[edit] Famous for being famous

This guy is famous, but not notable. Delete it, please! Bearian 00:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The current form of the article is reasonable, after User:Athaenara and others put some work into it. If the article remained stable for a while I think it's OK to keep it. The guy does have press coverage, and we usually defer to what the press has thought important enough to cover. This is not a comment on Mark Dice's world-historical importance. We do have other articles on other things that are strange, jokey and self-promotional. A short well-referenced article that has been purged of advertising language is easier to put up with a long, boastful one.

The COI noticeboard entry on this article was marked Resolved on 4 September. (The pointer to the noticeboard will open the correct entry if you turn off Javascript). EdJohnston 15:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famous and notable

Who ever flagged this article for lack of "notability" did so for personal reasons. there are countless articles on wikipedia that cover individuals or topics which are extremely less notable than Mark Dice. Dice has gotten more mainstream media coverage than almost all others in the 9/11 truth movement. only Alex Jones and Loose Change creators have topped his news coverage.

Dice is an extremely successfull culture jammer, and his culture jams have been covered around the world. He is rising to the status of other great culture jammers such as Banksy and the Yes Men. Again, those who appose this article likely do so for personal reasons. Likely a difference of political or religious views of Dice. Or maybe they are Mormon who seem to hate Dice for his views on the subject. or right wingers who hate anyone who is in the truth movement. and by the way, Dice is a right winger, so don't call him a liberal because he dissagrees with the war and with Bush. 14 June 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.187.241 (talk • contribs) 23:39-23:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC) and 00:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC) — 72.192.187.241 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

To some extent I think you are correct, Dice has become notable as a culture jammer. That should be the focus of this article. He is less notable for his ideas, so we needn't cover those in depth. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, nor is it another venue for culture jamming. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TheResistanceManifesto.com

Why is "TheResistanceManifesto.com = a thoroughly commercial website requiring paypal"? How can the man have an article when we can not reference his own site as a External link? He does use paypal, but it hardly seems to be "required". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harpakhrad11 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow you. Regardless, unless it's used as a source, a link isn't a reference. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to use the site as a reference. My confusion is this in the editing someone states:

MarkDice.com = TheResistanceManifesto.com = a thoroughly commercial website requiring paypal, etc. See WP:EL.

I don't really understand why it is there. Harpakhrad11 07:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)