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[edit] Name

I have never heard of Marco Bresciano being referd to as "Mark" Bresciano

They always call him "Mark", on Italian television (prease sign your posts).--Panairjdde 09:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it should be passed on to italian commentators that he still prefers to use his Italian name, rather then the English eqivelency, as at least as far as I know that is the way its portrayed on Australian tv, and through most websites i've visted. I may be wrong, but that's the way it is at least portrayed here --Orestes 19:45 pm 15 December 2005 (AEST)

Maybe - but we can hardly do that and it is remiss for us to ignore what he is referred to in the country in which he plays his football. Cursive 00:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From an interview in Australian magazine Inside Sport.

Mark or Marco? "In Australia it’s Marco. In Italy, it’s Mark. Work that one out. My birth certificate says Mark. But I’m named after my grandfather Marco. I like **Marco** but not Mark-O. I prefer Mark." Luke

To help distinguish... I saw this interview on SBS. The **Marco** that he prefers is with an Italian accent, or if you will, rolling the 'R'. If you do it in a real Aussie ocker type accent, he doesn't like it and would prefer you said Mark. Hope that helps a bit. Seth Cohen 07:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yes, you guessed it, his name again

Based on the comments elsewhere in the article, shouldn't the first line read Mark "Marco" Bresciano rather than the other way round? If Mark is in fact his legal name.....? ChrisTheDude 12:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Could users please stop switching his name back and forth. Mark "Marco" Bresciano is correct (not the other way around) and both names link to this article. Cheers 125.63.139.142 04:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palermo?

Can someone kindly provide a link for Bresciano's transfer to Palermo? I have requested a reference in the main article. --Alexio 04:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Gorast 10:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Marco Bresciano → Mark Bresciano – This guy's name is Mark, as clearly stated in the article. Furthermore, the current name of the article is the effect of an unilateral move Panarjedde 11:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

  • Support, as per nomination.--Panarjedde 11:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, I was bold and did it already. The article belongs at Mark Bresciano and was there previously (as well as originally). Cursive 18:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

I'm changing "The referee had no option but to red card Materazzi." to "In a contravercial decision, the referee gave Materazzi a red card." I'm Australian yet I and most people admit it was a contravercial decision which even Australians derided, and definitely not "no option".

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments

  • Spell 'controversial' correctly (have fixed it on the page). --jjron 12:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Match against Bahrain

Should we mention his spectacular goal in the biography? On this link, it was named the best socceroos goal ever. ~ EmeZxX 07:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Looking Good

Just want to say that this page is looking much better than it used to, good work. Rusty8 05:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Rusty8.

[edit] Removed injury content - 27 July 2007

I removed this today:

Against Siena in Palermo's second-last league match of 2007, he suffered a hamstring injury and is expected to miss the final league game and Australia's friendly against Uruguay on 2 June.[1]

I think it is out of date; forgive me if I have acted rashly. Wanderer 05:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Man City

HE HAS NOT MOVED TO MAN CITY YET. Stop changing the page saying he has. And why did someone change the entire page so that his international career is now together with his club career? I think it is better to have them separate... --139.168.218.109 09:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Rusty8

Agreed! Jared Wiltshire 10:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Agree - until there's a photo of him holding up a blue shirt, its not confirmed and should not be changed. - Tomperc 13:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record and to clear up any confusion - he is not linked to Real Madrid or any Spanish club. This was vandalism by an anonymous user. - Tomperc 01:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

The entire Man City transfer saga section was removed citing that this is no place for rumors. I've rewritten the entire section to focus on facts (attributed to reliable sources) and not speculation. If its still considered too speculative, some feedback/suggestions here would be great. - Tomperc 13:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting of club and international career

I noticed someone changed the article to put all the national team info under the club headings. Personally I don't like this. It's kind of inaccurate to have his national team info under the title of "Parma" etc... And more to the point, his national career has been arguably the highlight of his career and I think it certainly warrants a separate section. Furthermore, if all the national team info is together, it's much easier to follow what he has done in an Australian shirt. Putting it together in chronological order makes the article jump between club and international career too much. Any thoughts? --Rusty8 11:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Rusty8

I think most articles on footballers have a separate section for their international career. I agree that it is easier to follow and makes more sense having two separate sections. Jared Wiltshire 12:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree - The article was previously written to integrate his club and international efforts together to cover his entire career. Bresh is one of those players where his club and country performances have been intertwined. Early on he and Vinny played all the same places together at club and Olyroos, then there was 2005 Confed Cup they missed, and now this will be the second transfer to occur shortly after returning from a major international tournament. I think that by separating them all of these connections and milestones get lost.
It seems there's no wiki standard on this issue. There are good articles with them separate (Thierry Henry) and good articles with them together (Gilberto Silva). It seems to depend on the individual player, but happy to open the debate for this article here for all to contribute - Tomperc 12:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I see what you're saying, but my point of view is that the two careers (club and Australia) have been separate affairs. Anyway it's no big deal, I just didn't want to go and revert/edit the article without bringing it up here. I won't change that part of it, and the article is starting to look better all the time. --139.168.218.109 12:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Read the Palermo section, it just doesn't make sense, there is no flow. You have a heading that says "Palermo" then the second sentence in that paragraph is "In October 2006 Bresciano scored what some - including Socceroos Assistant Coach John Kosmina - have described as the greatest goal ever scored for Australia in a full international match." What the hell does that have to do with Palermo? Nothing! Jared Wiltshire 13:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Point taken - the heading was more a hang-over from earlier (and now its gone). - Tomperc 13:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking at it now, the "Move to Italy" section is too long, and needs to be broken up. This can only really be done by either separating club and international, or by splitting the article up in to years or groups of years, which I don't like... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.218.109 (talk) 15:32, 9 August 2007

[edit] GA nomination

Now that all the transfer speculation has settled down, I'm putting this up for GA. Comments and discussion welcome - Tomperc 04:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Before the article is reviewed make sure to expand the lead (see WP:LEAD), ensure that all inline citations directly follow the punctuation with no spaces in between, and that all single sentences by themselves are either merged into another paragraph or expanded upon. The inline citations should also be uniform, with the author of the article, newspaper, access date, etc. included. See WP:CITET for templates you can use. --Nehrams2020 05:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Done, tidied up citations and expanded the lead - Tomperc 23:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fixes required

Hi there. Here are some current issues that need to be addressed.

  • References. Need to be standardised. Some pages do not have access dates. Some have only partial information
YesY added accessdates and provided a much info on sources as possible, however some info is unknown for a number of sources (particularly authors)
  • POV - The POV in the article is presented as WP's when it shoul dbe attributed to that of the commentator. This needs to be fixed. eg, the SMH regarded...etc, or the FFA website regarded.....At present, many a regerded as plain fact.
YesY updated to put in context where I can find instances - any others, please highlight
  • Formal style: Needs to be more encyclopedic not "strength to strength" and newspaper type stuff
Are you referring to sub-headings or more broadly about the writing style for the whole article?
I meant the headings mostly. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Unsourced info. eg, the WC2006 info is not sourced. especially when there is an implication of bogus penalties which are straying into BLP violations. Other paras are not fully sourced, where the source only certifies one sentence in the para.
YesY fixed penalty refs and others
  • the horizontal volley goal - who was this against? Bharain or Qatar I think. Needs a source and clarification
YesY Bahrain in Sydney - now expanded the section
  • Soccerroos - Need to explain how he established himself in the team. Who did he push out? Okon I think....why was thing change made.
Hard to define clearly who he became preferred over as most of the midfield was being refreshed with Okon/Skoko/Muscat slowly dropping out of contention. There also wasn't much happening for the Socceroos around the time, making it difficult to identify a 'first choice' eleven. A source for this might be difficult to find too, but I'll keep looking.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed and considered review. I'll try addressing each or developing the point further. - Tomperc 13:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your wokr. Well done. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Excellent - thanks! - Tomperc 12:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)