Talk:Marine Corps Martial Arts Program
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Does anyone know anything about civilian establishments that teaches mcmap technique? New York? I am interested in learning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.129.99 (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Are Corpsman allowed to take part in MCMAP?
- Yes. I've seen instances where Navy, Army, and foreign military members have earned tan and grey belts. I'm willing to bet that they can't be instructors, but I don't think there is any policy on that. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I just spent a little bit of time today fleshing things on this article out, and hopefully I'll get a chance to revisit it in the near future. It's actually a very holistic program, so we should be able to turn this into a pretty respectable article with some work.
Fox1 19:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I can't say I agree with the description here of LINE as unarmed combat. Advanced LINE training involves the use of knives and bayonets, as well as e-tools and other improvised weapons. I guess that's part of the problem, as the article says - it doesn't have any non-lethal applications. (I would say that the problem there is the misuse of the Corps as a peacekeeping force, not with the fighting form itself. The fact that Marines are kept in constant contact with civilians should be changed, not their combat style.)
If there's going to be an article on USMC martial arts, LINE should probably get more than a passing mention, since it was in use for almost 20 years and this new kinder, gentler, tree-hugger stuff has been around for less than 5. In fact, we should probably go all the way back to the good old days of Judo, if the article is going to be comprehensive.
I'll see if I can add a few things here in the next day or two. Semper Fi. Kafziel 12:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
- I changed the the word "unarmed" to "close" in the LINE reference, but I think adding information on LINE in this article would be inappropriate. You're certainly correct about the importance of the system, but it has it's own, wikilinked article that you can expand, rather than duplicating information here. Similarly with any reference to judo, a mention in the article would be fine, but there's no reason to duplicate any but the most basic info here in the article.
- Fox1 14:48, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
- I agreee. I expanded the LINE article instead. Thanks for the input! Kafziel 15:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
The Martial arts program section of the United States Marine Corps page has more info than this page (or at least contains info that this page doesn't). Ideally, the page on Marine Corps Martial Arts Program should be longer and more detailed than the section in USMC. - Matthew238 05:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I made a few changes, listing each belt individually with its different requirements and the basics of what are taught. I'd like to include a list of the moves later perhaps. I know it looks really rough, I'll fix the appearance later on tonight. Or someone else can. Let me know what you guys think though. Gelston 20:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Formatted it; it looks good and the content is appreciated. Here's a rough guide to the formatting Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page; but generally it's learn by example. See something you'd like to do? (bold, italic, lists, etc), click on edit to see how the code looks, and copy it. --Mmx1 20:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Awesome, looks great. Appreciate it. Gelston 01:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Created a history section, which includes the info from the old Unarmed Combat section, and was therefore replaced. Let me know what you all think. Gelston 04:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- For some reason its duplicating the references, but I can't seem to figure out why. It only shows upas 2 when I click show preview, but when I save pageand look at the article, its showing 4.Gelston 04:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's a known problem from the last 24 hours. I have the dubious distinction of being the firrst one to report it. Solution here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Solution_to_problems_with_footnotes_and_references. Basically, you have to WP:PURGE the page. --Mmx1 04:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- So annoying. Have to purge after every little edit. Anyways, put up a disciplines section. Still a few more things I want to add to this article, but I'm trying to keep it easy to read, and don't want to wander off into original research. Gelston 05:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the synergy graphic, the MCMAP belts graphic and updated the Martial Culture section. When someone gets a chance, we need to put something in the Warrior study section and fatten up the history section, it only goes up to 2000. --Adavies4 17:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the contributions, but I don't think we need to go into any depth of the individual Martial Cultures - readers can find out about them on their own articles, and they don't have a direct relevance to MCMAP. Yes, they are studied in MCMAP as examples, but there's no direct lineage or influence upon MCMAP. I think it would suffice to have a paragraph explaining the Martial Culture aspect of MCMAP and identify the cultures it studies. --Mmx1 05:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Seeing how there is nothing under Warrior Studies and I do not know enough to put anything there, I removed the heading. "==Warrior Studies==" <-- for the lazy if they want to put it back. Also, maybe adding implementation and criticism sections? I've heard muttering about the inefectiveness of MCMAP in real world situations versus the "tan belt universe" and difficulty in getting instructors to all the units Lesssthan 03:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Unrelated?
The vast majority of this article is devoted to the discussion of unrelated, historical warrior cultures that have a tenuous tie at best to this topic; this could be much more effectively conveyed by a few links to the wikis on the cultures in question so as not to dominate the actual topic.
Beyond that, the article focuses almost entirely on the history of the program and the structure and rules relating thereto and doesn't deal much at all with the actual techniques or any critical analysis.
- I think someone just paraphrased the warrior culture studies from the handbook. I'll shorten the duplicate info and expand into the more Marine specific study. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Userboxes
I'm sure these won't get a huge amount of use (just how many wikipedians are Marines who were servince while/since this program came out?), but they are there for your consumption. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Navy Corpsmen and MCMAP
I'm an instructor at Field Medical Training Battalion (East) and ALL Corpsmen that go through either here or at the West Coast are graduating with Tan belts. This is a new requirement and its definitely benfitting the Navy-Marine Corps team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.86.226 (talk) 14:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Enlisted and Officers
Are these programs available for both Enlisted and Officers? At first thought I would just think enlisted a NCO's would be involved in it, but It would be nice to know and nice to add to the page. anybody? Fightinginthestreets (talk) 03:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's open to both. I don't think there is anything in the article that indicates that officers are excluded, nor would I fathom why anone would think that. bahamut0013♠♣ 12:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
