Talk:Marilyn (hill)

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[edit] Number of Marilyns

Marilyns Are there really the same number (178) of Hewitts and Marilyns in England?? Linuxlad

Yes, there are - spoooky isn't it! Grinner 11:36, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

The April 2002 Relative Hills of Britain update reports "The number of Marilyns has therefore risen to 1552 for the first time - 1213 in Scotland, 179 in England, 156 in Wales and 5 on the Isle of Man (Black Mountain is in both England and Wales)". The Database of British hills, dated 4 April 2004, also shows 1552 total, with 179 in England. Is the entry on this page out of date, or has there been a subsequent downgrading of a hill which I have missed? StephenDawson 16:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I'd say that is more recent than the original figure which is are from the original RHB book. SO we should update. Grinner 10:06, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
And, 1552 total agreed in last year's newsletter - Marhofn May 2004 --Eddie | Talk 10:56, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
OK, I've taken the plunge and updated. StephenDawson 11:54, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Meall Chomraidh (2A, 466m NN483566) and Arnside Knott (34D, 159m, SD456774) promoted May 2005. --Eddie | Talk 12:07, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geographic scope

I notice that my sentence about the limited scope of the term has been removed. Where, outside of the British Isles, is this term widely used? I don't know of any such popular usage. -- Spireguy 13:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops! OK, now I read your other comment on the Topographic prominence page, and I see what you mean. I will put in a sentence saying explicitly that the term is limited, by definition, to the British Isles. -- Spireguy 13:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

While the edit is fine by me, it might upset the sensitive souls who frequent Talk:British Isles. ..dave souza, talk 16:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Anybody who has a better way to refer to that island grouping should feel free to change the term. -- Spireguy 22:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

I've just uploaded a map of the Marilyns (Image:Map_of_Marilyns.png) to the Wikipedia Commons and put a link on this page. I think there's room for improvement -- perhaps making the dots larger, or giving larger dots for more prominent peaks. If anyone has any further suggestions, list them here and I'll try to roll a new, improved version of the map tomorrow. -- ras52 16:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Larger dots (or triangles etc) would be helpful, preferably in a colour that contrasts with the background. I don't think it matters if they overlap, the best feature of this map is showing the distribution of Marilyns around the British Isles. -- Blisco 17:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
The small black dots have now been replaced with larger red triangles so even from the 250px thumbnail image, it's obvious that Scotland has lots of Marilyns and SE England, very few. -- ras52 23:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

A while ago I put a suggestion on Talk:Peak bagging that most of the short articles on British hill lists should be merged into one, provisionally titled Hill lists in the British Isles. It hasn't had much response so far, and I'm reluctant to do the potentially drastic deed without further discussion. Does anyone here have an opinion? Should Marilyn (hill) join Munro in being an exception to the merge? (Of course the article would still mention Munros and refer the reader to the main article.) -- Blisco 17:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delete?

This article is neither notable nor encyclopaedic, it makes a virtue out of obscurity and dramatises the trivial. I vote delete. Excalibur 20:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep. After the Munros, Wainwrights and perhaps Corbetts, the Marilyns are probably the most famous list of British hills or mountains. Yes, some of the hills on the list are undoubtedly obscure, and some are trivial (though that many are trivial by British standards), though Stac Lee is hardly trivial by anyone's standards. Also, the article is linked to from over 500 other articles — which it hardly would be if they were unencyclopaedic. A Google search for "marilyn +hill +mountain" (which seems to weed out most of the irrelevant hits) yields 1,210,000 pages. And I don't see what harm the article's doing, so what's wrong with keeping it? — ras52 22:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep an informative and well referenced article about a notable hill list, a subject which attracts widespread interest. . ... dave souza, talk 00:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The name itself is ludicrous, arising as it does from an obscure pun about a minor actress with much hyped mammary glands, and the subject matter even less exciting than the listing of Bolivian railway stations. I am still not convinced. Excalibur 23:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

As for the google argument, I checked the link and within a few pages it is full of such nonsense as: fasola.org - Sacred Harp and Shape Note singing The twelfth session of Rocky Mountain High Sacred Harp Convention was called ... The afternoon session was called together by Hill Grimmett leading song on ... fasola.org/minutes/search/?n=1315 ... its not the number of hits, its their relevance that counts. Excalibur 23:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep. The Marilyns are becoming increasingly popular among hillwalkers. Unlike the Munros, they come in all shapes and sizes and are spread all over the country. I would have preferred them to be named differently, but the name appears to have stuck. If you do not like the concept of list ticking by relative height then you can ignore it and everything to do with it. Live and let live. Viewfinder 01:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Marilyn's are neither use nor ornament - their definition, based as it is on an imperial measure that was obsolete before the term passed into any form of usage, is an anacronism. I cant believe that anyone would actually get a kick out of climbing one of these geomorphological plooks. Excalibur 23:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

They are defined as having a relative height of at least 150 metres. I thought metres were metric, not imperial... Viewfinder 23:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
For better or worse, the Marilyns are catching on. See the list of 169 hikers who have climbed at least 600 of them. Viewfinder 00:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep. The subject is clearly notable, as shown by the article itself and the comments above. Whether or not one person thinks the concept is trivial is immaterial. Note that this is not a list of Marilyns, nor a proposal that every separate Marilyn have a page; it is an article about the concept and the list. -- Spireguy 20:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong delete "See the list of 169 hikers who have climbed at least 600 of them". The fact that are 169 sad people in the world with nothing else to do except record the unremarkable is not of itself notable. 169 people took the number 23 bus that passes outside my door today, there are 169 train spotters in Neasden....so what (yawn) Excalibur 23:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

There are considerably fewer than 169 people who've climbed the 14 8000 m mountains, but no-one's suggesting that article should be deleted. Anyway, unless there's anyone besides Excalibur who wants to delete the article, there really doesn't seem any point in continuing this discussion. — ras52 09:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The concept seems to be on the borderline of notability. I was about to write here "weak delete", but a web search found a travel article in the Guardian (external link I just added), hence weak keep instead. — Alan✉ 16:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of Marilyns

How come it is not possible to edit that template? Fennessy 13:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I see, thankyou. I'm used to templates having the little "e" for edit on them. Fennessy 14:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)