Talk:Marie Curie

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The result was no move. Nonadmin closure. The Evil Spartan (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. She's normally called either Marie Curie or, even more commonly, Madame Curie. Andrewa (talk) 14:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support. That was her name. And her daughter, and her daughter's husband, likewise combined their family names: Joliot-Curie. Nihil novi (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose We should follow the usage of standard sources; the biographies cited all use Curie. Similarly, the Joliot-Curies are also standard usage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NCP - her common name is Marie Curie. EJF (talk) 18:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support per NIhil novi. I would even go for MARIA, because that was her real name. Space Cadet (talk) 19:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I would too. Nihil novi (talk) 07:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). In Google it's 2.5 million to 7,000 for plain old "Marie Curie". In Google Scholar it's 122,000 to 10. In Google Books it's 2000 to 69. Here's NobelPrize.org's bio of her, an organisation named in her memory, and another, the BBC, Britannica, Encarta, etc etc etc. Put her full name in the first line, but let the article be placed at the term mostly likely to be searched for. Callmederek (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• Weak support I would prefer Marie Curie-Skłodowska rather because I know her under this name. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 22:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose No clear reason provided why this should made an exception to general naming conventions.Erudy (talk) 01:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NCP. Subject is sufficiently well known to English speakers that this is an easy determination. — AjaxSmack 04:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose Far more people on English Wiki are going to look for her under the current name than any other. --Etacar11 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong support-she is known under that name.--Molobo (talk) 07:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. The current title is clearly correct under Use common names guidelines: "When choosing a name for a page ask yourself: What word would the average user of the Wikipedia put into the search engine?" Powers ^T 18:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose, the by far most common name used by English-language texts being simply "Marie Curie". —Gabbe (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support. This was her legal name. Additionally it is more inclusive of the multiple layers of her identity. Why does the simple addition of her maiden name bring up so much vitriol? Sklodowska-Curie is the name that's found on her tombstone in the Pantheon, in the High School named in her honor on Chicago's South Side. Isn't this the same rationale under which Roman Catholic saints are categorized (when known), under their real names on Wikipedia?--Orestek (talk) 08:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Although the longer hyphenated form is common in English, the shorter from is much more widely used. The evidence of usage given above is convincing and matches my experience. Knepflerle (talk) 13:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. Marie Curie is how she is most commonly known in this country. The article rightly mentions her maiden/professional name in the lead paragraph. Plazak (talk) 14:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Marie Curie" is the commonest form of her name in English. Fatsamsgrandslam (talk) 20:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose per all above. --John (talk) 20:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose because this is en.wiki. She can be Maria Skłodowska-Curie on the polish wiki (and she is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Horsesforcorses (talk • contribs) 22:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
• Abstain. The shorter version is acceptable. For the longer - if we want the Polish one - it would have to be Maria, not Marie. The French version seems pretty dominant in English usage.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. My explaination is in the discussion below. Still interested in the meaning of an abstain vote. Dr. Dan (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose In a perfect world, it would be titled Maria Skłodowska-Curie. But, like it or not, wikipedia is not a perfect world at all, and Marie Curie is clearly the most common English name. Ostap 16:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. She is known in English primarily as Marie Curie. – Axman (☏) 15:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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From the survey: Support. That was her name. I think you mean that this was the name that she herself used at one stage in her life. Two problems with this approach: Firstly, it isn't supported by Wikipedia:naming conventions; Secondly, like many people she used several differnt names at different times of her life, so the question arises which to prefer. Andrewa (talk) 16:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

From the survey: "Why does the simple addition of her maiden name bring up so much vitriol?" You call this vitriol? This is just disagreement, not controversy or hate or incivility. =) Powers ^T 14:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

From the survey: "I would prefer Marie Curie-Skłodowska rather because I know her under this name (sic)." Happily he didn't know her as Marysieńka. Dr. Dan (talk) 04:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Remain strictly civil and do not attack others opinions. Marie Curie-Skłodowska is a name that is used for her in the Czech Republic. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 14:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but the basis of why you prefer the name change is an amazing and new type of argument in editing an encyclopedia. Was not meant to be uncivil, please do not take it that way. And what does usage in the Czech Republic have to do with the proper name on English WP? Dr. Dan (talk) 14:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem then :) I know that it is a little bit odd that's why I gave weak support. But the magic words english wikipedia can't be applied as a formula to cast everything away. She is known also as Marie Curie-Skłodowska, she was born as Skłodowska so the proper heading should be Marie Curie-Skłodowska with Marie Curie and Maria Skłodowska as redirects. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 15:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

What is important: the correct name, or the best known one ? It's an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. --Lysy^talk 07:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Also important: This is English Wikipedia. Curie is a famous person with an established name in the English language. In the case of some relativly unknown Hetman from the 16th century, it's hardly an issue IMHO. Stating her origins and maiden name are all fine and dandy, and important information. It's there in the article. The proposed name change is over the top, and is the continuation of the work by the same group of people who are clearly bent on instigating changes to English Wikipedia which are detrimental to the project. Dr. Dan (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not speaking for the whole community, so avoid being so judgmental about other editors. Google hit statistics are more "detrimental to the project" than using the REAL, CORRECT name, in my opinion. Space Cadet (talk) 15:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion too. Personally I have never liked Google hits as the final abiter of difficult issues, as they are too often "manipulated" and the like. Dr. Dan (talk) 18:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Long-standing consensus on the English Wikipedia is to use the "Most Common Name". This is because the primary goal is ease in finding the correct article and recognizing that one is at the correct article. That's why "Use Common Names" applies only to the article title, not to the bolded text in the lead. Powers ^T 15:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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