Talk:Maria Ozawa

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[edit] School

Could a reference please be provided for this bit of trivia- what high school she went to? RNavigator 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks bad on the school. Taylorite

I don't see how it looks bad on the school. Besides, that isn't important. If it is referenced, it should go in the article. If it isn't referenced, it shouldn't go in the article. MightyAtom 04:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

She went to a Christian school for several years (I know, I was there) and started a career in porn as soon as she was old enough. On the school's wiki page, a link to her porn wiki page. How does that not look bad on the school? The link is off of the school page now, so whatever. I guess I'm just taking personal frustrations out on this because I'm dissapointed in her. She had so much potential in high school, but she never took advantage of it since she was always sleeping around. It's sad, really. Taylorite

Some people, like me, might say they'd rather be in the pornographic business, than going to a christian school. So why do you downplay her, huh ? There's no need to talk bad about her, just because YOU and YOUR views might be disturbed. Besides, wikipedia is not about what YOU think is good and bad, it a collecton of known facts. Ap2000 00:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, you are making a value judgement that being a pornographic actress is a bad thing, compared to being a Christian which is a good thing. However, those are just your own personal opinions, ones which I don't personally share. I don't think it is sad at all. In fact, by being one of the top AV actresses in Japan, I would she is realizing her potential, and doing exceptionally well for herself. And either way, personal opinions shouldn't be represented on wikipedia. If it is a fact that she went to the school, and can be referenced, then it should appear on both pages. MightyAtom 22:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia policy verifiability, I'm removing the reference to the Christian Academy in Japan. RNavigator 13:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm, again, removing the reference to CAJ, as there is still no verifiable reference provided in the article. 72.58.104.253, you say it is discussed on her blog. All you have to do is provide the reference in the article (exact URL). Or bibliographic information from a yearbook or some other published source. Until that reference is provided, the sentence does not meet up to verifiability standards. I might add that the Japanese Wikipedia article simply says that she attended an international school. Also that the history of this article indicates a disagreement as to whether it was CAJ or ASIJ. Either way, a source needs to be provided in the article. RNavigator 18:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

RNavigator, you are a regular contributor to the page on "Christian Academy in Japan", I do hope that this is not an attempt by you to remove any 'unsavoury' references to the school. As for a reference, here it is: http://blog.dmm.co.jp/actress/ozawa_maria/archives/021284.html#comments, http://blog.dmm.co.jp/actress/ozawa_maria/archives/021171.html#comments. Conveniently, the relevant sections are in English. I trust the link can stay up now.
Regarding CAJ: These seem like comments from other users, to which Maria replies to in the second link. It's not explicitly stated from her that she attended CAJ, though("i looked up your CAJ friends to see if they remembered you...). She may have just had friends at CAJ. I don't mean to be anal, but we must adhere to Wikipedian standards. If we can count this as a reference (dubious), then I suppose it can stay. I don't think it should, though - perhaps if someone can find some sort of CAJ class roster or list that has Ozawa's name? Otherwise, I believe it shouldn't be listed. Shiryu22 07:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uhh...

that filmography section seems a bit innapropriate. --AnYoNe! 16:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

A filmography is fairly standard for actors, including porn stars. Wikipedia does not censor.MightyAtom 06:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
While Wikipedia does not censor, it's not customary to have direct links to box shots of videos in the filmography. There's an external link to the official website already in the appropriate section. 24.200.41.142 11:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English Language

Is there any tools or links to convert or display an ENGLISH versoin of the page?

English version of which page? Everything written on this page is translated into English, so there should be no problems.MightyAtom 06:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

THERE'S NO PICTURE FOR THIS LADY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.87.170 (talk) 19:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is she bi?

I reverted one change in the infobox so it reads 'heterosexual' not 'bisexual'. I thought she was straight; of course, that hasn't stopped her doing lesbian films. If someone knows better, change it back. Makitomoda (talk) 03:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing from a primary or secondary source to indicate she is bisexual. She has only done one hardcore lesbian scene. It was with Naomi Serizawa in her Kira Kira release. From how uncomfortable she acted, I would say that was her first time she ever had sex with another woman. Many pornstars are gay-for-pay and she seems to be in this category. Sid122 talk 06:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Do we have a source specifically indicating she's exclusively heterosexual? If not, we should not put anything in the field. On the other hand, Blood type, which is easily verified through profiles, is being removed at articles like these. (See THIS) Go figure. Dekkappai (talk) 16:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
In the interviews linked in this article, she clearly stated having had several male boyfriends prior to her career. She also states her preference for Japanese men over western men. Furthermore she says that she would like her next boyfriend to be the one she marries. Did she state in specific terms that she's hetero ? Not that I can see, but how much more proof is needed ?
I guess I just object to the field. So she's hetero... how does the field explain lesbian scenes in her films? Would labeling her "bi" on the basis of lesbian acts in film be appropriate? I don't think so... I just don't think the field is accurate, but I'm not enough a "my way or the highway" kind of a guy that I'd go around removing information... as some do on other, more objective fields like blood type. Dekkappai (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think it would be inappropriate to list her as bi based on her girl on girl scenes. She's a porn actress. Don't forget the acting part of porn. Just like playing in Brokeback Mountain doesn't make Jake Gyllenhaal gay or bi, acting gigs don't relate to Maria's real life preferences. That would be like saying that she enjoys rape just because she was in a rape scene. It's her job to sell you the scene she's in, it should only reflect on her quality as a porn actress not her real life preferences.
Well, true-- but then what is the point of the field? We don't have a "sexual orientation" field for... German opera composers.... at least, I don't think we do. Shouldn't it be describing her occupation/what she's known for? And even then, it's basically useless, because how many female porn actresses perform exclusively with males or females? And even if it applies just to real-life-- the fact that one gets married, or dates the opposite sex does not exclude the possibility of other sexual orientation... I just think the field is a mess, and I suppose this isn't the place to discuss it. By the way, I don't think I've altered the field at this article either-- I take a hands-off approach to things like this. I was just responding to the other editor's comments & questions. Dekkappai (talk) 18:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
No worries, I too never make content edits even if I disagree with said content. I usually let the original editor make the change. Also, I do agree with you. I don't find the orientation field very useful. Actually, I find it's a double standard as nobody else's biography is subject to this information in their bio box. But it's probably a conversation that needs to be taken higher up. Maybe in the Porn Actor/Female Porn Actor category as a general discussion on guidelines on writing biographies that fit these categories.

[edit] Filming

See here for one of Maria Ozawa's blog posts which is partly in English. It might be worth referring to if someone can work out what the rest of it says. :-) Makitomoda (talk) 03:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Blogs generally aren't considered reliable sources. Carl.bunderson (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Even if it's written by the subject of the article? Makitomoda (talk) 09:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm not really sure about that. On WP:Verifiability, I found both "Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons", which I think this falls under. If you read it differently, please say why. In addition, the fact that it is in Japanese complicates the matter; talking about non-English sources it says "readers should have the opportunity to verify for themselves what the original material actually said, that it was published by a credible source, and that it was translated correctly." I would say that readers cannot verify the sources themselves (by and large), and being a self-published blog I would question that it is published by a credible source. So, I would avoid using it as a source. Carl.bunderson (talk) 22:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)