Talk:Margaret Roper

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[edit] Categorisation

I'm wondering whether it's really appropriate for Margaret Roper to be in the category Catholic Martyrs, seen as she herself wasn't martyred. I can see the logic of the categorisation, but it seems a little incongruous to me. Any thoughts?

Also, I'd like to put in a sentence or two about her education (later, when I've found some reliable sources), but, in the meantime, does anyone know if her translation of Erasmus's Devout Treatise on the Paternoster is available on the Internet? It’s got to be public domain, but they don’t have it at Project Gutenberg. Nicola79 13:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

The category is because she is important for RCC martyrology, not because she is a martyr. I.e. she is in the category because she ministered to her father, saved the relic, etc. At least that was my thinking, and absolutely not any suggestion that she was herself a martyr.

As for the education, you've got an excellent point. She was fantastically well educated by her father and his buddy, Erasmus, and More took great pains to educate her well. I think there's something in More's Latin Epigrams about education that applies to her, too. Unfortunately, I haven't the expertise myself nor the references at hand. I will go look at the 2004 Dictionary of National Biography to at least get bibliographic data on her publications, so we can at least refer readers to her. Also, they might have some more matter to add.

I should have put this article on my watchlist when I wrote it. I missed the query here. I hope anyone and everyone with information builds on what I wrote, as I consider it a true stub, and I'm not strong enough in the Renaissance to pull more information out of my head. Geogre 02:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Martyr

I won't protest beyond this, or revert, but I can see a reason for putting her in the martyr category. She isn't studied for the mention by Tennyson, but solely because she figures in the story of More. Hence, her story is part of the martyr story of Thomas More, and therefore her biography -- her story -- is part of the martyr story. I would assume that the tag does not imply that she was herself a martyr -- she wasn't -- but merely that she is part of that division of subjects. Again, I won't revert again, as I don't feel strongly about any category tag, much less this one, but I do feel it belongs here. Geogre 02:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough, but you took out the birth and death date categories that I had added as well. Probably my fault — I should have been clearer in my edit summary. :-) AnnH ^(talk) 02:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Dang! I'm terrible with cats. I only own dogs, and it shows. (Nicholas Owen looks good, too.) Geogre 02:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)